Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rodoljub Vulović (3rd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. czar 19:30, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Rodoljub Vulović

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Consensus was already reached in 2017 that this person is not notable. This new version of the article has the same sources, there are no new sources to prove that the notability has changed in the last 2 years. Vanjagenije (talk) 19:18, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'm pinging all participants in the two previous deletion discussions: @Joe Decker, LibStar, Sun Creator, Xxanthippe, Antidiskriminator, and Dlohcierekim:. Vanjagenije (talk) 20:52, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

So you can snowball the vote? 49.199.215.211 (talk) 05:00, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

What does it mean to "snowball the vote"? Vanjagenije (talk) 10:00, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

WP:SNOW Heepman1997 (talk) 10:06, 31 July 2019 (UTC) (that IP was me logged out)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 19:43, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bosnia and Herzegovina-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 19:43, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 21:51, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - why is he any less notable than, say, Baja Mali Knindza? Heepman1997 (talk) 11:35, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Because there are less reliable sources with significant coverage on him. Vanjagenije (talk) 20:45, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - The article is in 18 more languages, and I think that there is enough information on the Internet about Rodoljub Vulović to create a page in the English Wikipedia about him. Operation 0 (talk) 15:07, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Artist appears to be quite popular and well known in Serbia, a Google search finds a good amount of news articles about him, and lots of platforms with his music. --Seacactus 13 (talk) 22:03, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Now change to delete, after i looked more, realized sources are poor, and other language editions on here also are badly sourced.--Seacactus 13 (talk) 16:06, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Delete - The "Keep" votes above show little awareness of policy, because a vote saying that there are lots of articles should go ahead and list some of them, and the fact that the singer is covered in other Wikipedias is meaningless if those are poorly sourced as well. Granted, the Bosnian articles currently at footnotes 3-5 in the article seem to indicate that he has gotten some notice in that region's media. Beyond those I can find nothing beyond the typical retail and streaming sites. The three aforementioned articles might be enough for a basic stub article, but I don't think he has quite gotten enough reliable media coverage for his music. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 18:01, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

If his page is deleted, then why do we not delete the hundreds of lesser known artists on here, who just happen to be based in English speaking countries? He is no less important then them, even if many sources are not in English. I personally found a large amount of news articles mentioning him with just a quick search, which could be used to improve the page. Seacactus 13 (talk) 01:40, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Go ahead and delete them. You will have my support WP:Otherstuffexists. Xxanthippe (talk) 02:56, 31 July 2019 (UTC).[reply]

Delete and salt. Sources inadequate. Also BLP contains political material verging on racism. Xxanthippe (talk) 22:25, 30 July 2019 (UTC).[reply]
Delete WP:CSD#G4 One would have thought that significant coverage in reliable, verifiable, independent sources (sing along with me you know the rest) would have been brought to this subject before it was again created. This is by no means an improvement. Dlohcierekim (talk)00:20, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - @xxanthippe - how is the Roki artile in any way racist? Heepman1997 (talk) 00:27, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The area of the world that this BLP is associated with has in recent history been subjected to genocide, ethnic cleansing and mass murder committed on ethnic grounds. The ethnic views attributed to the subject, without evidence apparent to me, may constitute a personal attack. Regardless of this, there are not enough in-depth sources to satisfy WP:GNG, and I see little sign of satisfying any SNG. Xxanthippe (talk) 02:56, 31 July 2019 (UTC).[reply]

His supposed racism is not a reason to delete the article, because he could have received reliable media coverage for that. If the article happens to survive, its presence on Wikipedia would not be a promotion of ethnic cleansing, though we would know that this is a guy with disagreeable beliefs. But the point of this debate is that his political opinions are just as non-notable as everything else. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 16:01, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It is wrong that the English Wikipedia should be used as a battlefield by Balkan ethnic warriors for their internecine feuds. However, this is beside the point as WP:GNG is not achieved here. Xxanthippe (talk) 02:20, 2 August 2019 (UTC).[reply]

Delete - per nominator.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 08:58, 3 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

*Keep 183.177.231.187 (talk) 03:08, 4 August 2019 (UTC) blocked ISP Xxanthippe (talk) 03:30, 4 August 2019 (UTC).[reply]

Delete and salt ASAP. Sadly, the only proper coverage he got is in two Serbian tabloids Alo and Blic [1] [2], which aren't reliable. The sources in the article include a blog as well, also unreliable, with a solid piece in RTV BN but alone is not enough. Does not meet any of the NMUSIC criteria nor there is multiple significant coverage of him in reliable sources. Considering it is a 3rd AfD with 2 ending in deleting it, salt this. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 08:02, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.