Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Spirit Air (India) (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Draftify‎. This article can be improved in Draft space. I suggest submitting it when the company becomes notable to AFC for review. Moving it directly back into main space will, I predict, result in a return to AFD and "Draftify" will not be the outcome again. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:19, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Spirit Air (India)

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Hi, sorry if I did anything wrong using the templates, this is my first AfD. Anyways, this was already deleted last year and it was just remade a couple days ago with only two sources, one of which is their own website. I think it merits speedy deletion per G4. Criticalus (talk) 15:58, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The airline recently announced the purchase of several new aircraft, and were recently certified to being regular passenger operations. The article needs to be left long enough for more sources to exist SurferSquall (talk) 16:02, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Crossposting from the move request discussion. "Time is needed" Okay, so when they've had the time to launch consumer flights and there are reliable sources discussing the airline, make the article then. It was deleted a year ago, not much has changed, buying 6 planes hardly makes a subject that was deleted a year ago now suddenly worthy of a Wiki article. If you think it needs to be "left long enough for more sources to exist," perhaps take it to draftspace and work it up there, then bring it back when it's ready? But we can't make a stub for something not yet notable which was already deleted in anticipation that someday maybe it will be notable. Criticalus (talk) 16:05, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Is there any real reason for the stub not to exist? The website is not better off without this article. If somebody comes looking for this topic, they will find something, rather than nothing. You mentioned this is your first AFD. Please familiarize yourself with what is commonly done in Wikipedia in certain situations. SurferSquall (talk) 19:25, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

None of what you said is a good reason to keep the article. This being my first AfD is irrelevant: it does not meet WP:NOTABLE, simple as that. There is not a single reputable source cited in the article. The previous article was already deleted per the discussion I linked above and nothing substantial has changed (signing an LOI to buy six planes does not make a company notable all of a sudden.) Thus it is eligible for speedy deletion under criteria WP:G4 by whichever administrator closes this out. What else is there to discuss? Criticalus (talk) 19:46, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Stub articles and the stub notice exist for an article to be improved, not deleted. Deleting the article does nothing good. I have never seen a single other aviation-related stub article be deleted solely for being short, or even for having been recreated. Deletion does not benefit anyone. SurferSquall (talk) 21:37, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I advise you to read WP:TOOSOON and WP:HARMLESS. If the article was made before achieving GNG and GNG is likely to follow, it's easy, just recreate the article once it passes GNG. BrigadierG (talk) 23:07, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete a cursory google search turns up nothing helpful BrigadierG (talk) 23:07, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That's..... why this article exists.... SurferSquall (talk) 02:35, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

WP:GNG BrigadierG (talk) 09:07, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@SurferSquall: You seem to fundamentally misunderstand Wikipedia's notability guidelines. Please read WP:GNG. 〜 Festucalex • talk 13:25, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. 〜 Festucalex • talk 13:26, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Companies, Aviation, and Karnataka. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:29, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - the article is required to pass WP:NCORP, which is a higher bar than GNG. The responses of the creator show a fundamental lack of understanding of Wikipedia guidelines. We do not write articles to bring attention to things that nobody else has written about, in fact, articles should only be written on companies that have already been written about extensively elsewhere. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:32, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify (move to draft space), or if SurferSquall prefers, move to a subpage in his user space (i.e., User:SuferSquall/Spirit Air (India) ). Surfer Squall is one of our best and most prolific editors in the aviation space. This is a well-written article notwithstanding notability issues. I think this article is a little too TOOSOON but we'll probably want it in a few months. The company has been operating an air taxi/charter business since 2008 and is staffed with very knowledgeable professionals so I think they'll make a good go of it.

Thanks again to Surfer Squall for all the content creation over the years.

--A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 18:46, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@SurferSquall A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 05:46, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify or move to a subpage of user space as per A. B. Gjs238 (talk) 15:12, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
No comment on suitability for mainspace, but draftify to Draft:Spirit Air over delete if it's deemed unsuitable. (An RM is headed for removing the disambiguator, currently.) Skarmory (talk • contribs) 04:51, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify As someone who did try to improve the quality of the original article, I believe that the airline is currently not notable, if they indeed launch some scheduled ops they will get covered in atleast a few reliable sources so draftification may be a possibility. But, we currently have only that 1 source on the article about the Islander's being ordered. Speaking of the original article most sources had some sort of an interview or comment by someone from the company itself and hence were not independent. However, while we are at it I'd like to point out that the last AFD was "poorly" done (I come in peace no offence is intended), the argument went the airline is fake it doesn't exist. Surely it was not notable but it was not a hoax. A sysop could access the sources from the original article and see if there is anything worth salvaging. Bingobro (Chat) 08:00, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
There are several sources on the Islander order. If someone's wondering "oh hey what's spirit air in India" then this stub answers that question. Deletion is pointless, especially when this is quite likely to be recreated later. What purpose does deletion serve? You all make no sense. SurferSquall (talk) 19:45, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.