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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Delete and redirect to Steady state (disambiguation), with appropriate change of wording there; based on a google translation of the Dutch article there is no evidence it is even a significant concept within his theory. I urge someone to do a proper translation of that article, bercause it seems he is notable. DGG ( talk ) 06:48, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Steady State Model

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Bizzare article which appears to be an instruction manual on how to efficiently manufacture a fighter aircraft. "Steady state model" is a fairly common phrase, so searching for sources leads to a lot of results, some of which may or may not refer to the concept relating to the manufacturing of fighter aircraft. This may or may not be a notable topic, but even if it can be shown to be a notable topic, the article would require a complete rewrite to become encyclopedic. SnottyWong chatter 19:50, 30 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete then redirect to Steady State theory. I too can't see how this article can be used as the basis of an encyclopaedic treatment of whatever the subject is (a business model for manufacturing?); Steady state model redirects to Steady State theory, so it would make sense for this title to do so as well; but we don't need the history to do that. Thryduulf (talk) 20:14, 30 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Since Jan in 't Veld, the inventor of this Steady State Model appears to have published almost exclusively in Dutch – he died while working on a translation of his apparently successful book Analyse van organisatieproblemen (ISBN 9010105644) in which the SSM was introduced – it may be hard to find reliable non-Dutch sources, but there seems to be some significant coverage in: Hans P. M. Veeke, Jaap A. Ottjes and Gabriël Lodewijks (2008). The Delft Systems Approach: Analysis and Design of Industrial Systems. Springer. ISBN 978-1-84800-176-3. I don't know if this counts as "independent of the subject", though; the "Delft Systems Approach" was invented by in 't Veld (as the preface states: "This book is a tribute to Prof. Jan in 't Veld, who is the real founder of the Delft Systems Approach"), and the authors are affiliated with Delft University and appear to be former students of in 't Veld.  --Lambiam 21:16, 30 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Question is the "Delft Systems Approach" the same as the "Steady State Model"? If so, which would be the better title? Thryduulf (talk) 23:44, 30 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    I haven't looked into this in any detail, but my impression is that what is called the Delft Systems Approach comprises a collection of concepts, models, and paradigms, of which the Steady State Model is one of the components. If an article could be written about the Delft Systems Approach, into which this article could be merged, that would be an elegant solution, but the amount of usable source material does not look promising. Alternatively, someone knowing Dutch well might be able to translate nl:Jan in 't Veld, which then would be a plausible merge target. (I agree, though, that the primary meaning of "Steady State Model" should be Steady State theory; that could be solved by a {{Redirect}} hatnote over there.)  --Lambiam 09:05, 31 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Agree, this does appear to be the correct name for the general topic. Maury Markowitz (talk) 02:11, 6 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 23:58, 5 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Appears to be an essay, instruction manual, or original research. In any case the article does not provide sufficient context to make it clear what topic the article is intended to cover, and therefore it may be incapable of meaningful expansion by other editors. - DustFormsWords (talk) 00:41, 6 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    Although the article has issues, the only real showstopper is the possible lack of notability; the other defects can in principle be fixed.  --Lambiam 02:39, 10 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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