Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Xhino Sejdo
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. The consensus is that there is insufficient verification that the subject meets the notability guidelines. If someone can provide some reliable sourcing, I am not averse to restoring the article upon request PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 11:10, 29 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Contested PROD. Concern was Article about a footballer who fails WP:GNG and who has not played in a fully pro league. PROD was contested on the grounds that he has played in a competitive fixture between two fully professional clubs in a domestic cup. While has played a cup match between two Albanian Super League teams, this does confer notability, as that league's inclusion in WP:FPL is inadequately sourced, and more importantly, there is no indication that he meets the general notability guideline. Sir Sputnik (talk) 08:21, 21 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Sir Sputnik (talk) 08:22, 21 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: I am sorry but if we are going to now say that even though the Albanian league is listed as fully-professional and that kid has played in a match between two teams in the league in a competition he still not notable because the Albanian league is not sourced right. We have 3 sources for Albania. Are all of them wrong? Yes different language but they can be translated. Also if you do consider it not sourced right than how come the league is still listed? It is either fully-pro or not. Take it out if you believe so but if you leave it in than you are saying that any player that plays a match in that league or a domestic cup match between two teams in that league is notable. --Arsenalkid700 (talk) 08:34, 21 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- I've removed Albania from the list. That being said, I should point out that Wikipedia, by our own standards, is not a reliable source of information. Any fact listed on any page, including WP:FPL, is only as valid as the sources confirming it. If you were to actually look at the sources that were listed, you'd find that none of them confirm the fully pro status of the Albanian top flight. The first source does not mention professionalism in the Super Liga at all. The second and third sources, both of which are the same, confirm only the existence of an organisation called "the professional league". While this suggests some degree of professionalism, it does confirm the degree of professionalism, not mention the fact that there is nothing to stop a completely amateur league from calling itself professional. On top of all that, one must bear in mind the purpose of WP:NSPORT and WP:FPL, namely to determine at a glance which footballers are likely to pass or fail the general notability guideline. The more borderline the the claim to notability under WP:NSPORT, the stronger a claim to general notability must be. As I've already stated in the nomination, this article pretty clearly fails WP:GNG. Sir Sputnik (talk) 23:25, 21 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- I dont disagree that this article fails GNG and in fact I probably should have said that in my response so right now my view is delete but going back to FPL I do feel that we should all now look at FPL and individually look at the sources and see if they should remain or not because many users will use FPL and beyond our knowledge there could be many Albanian football articles we dont know about. --Arsenalkid700 (talk) 00:05, 22 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- I've removed Albania from the list. That being said, I should point out that Wikipedia, by our own standards, is not a reliable source of information. Any fact listed on any page, including WP:FPL, is only as valid as the sources confirming it. If you were to actually look at the sources that were listed, you'd find that none of them confirm the fully pro status of the Albanian top flight. The first source does not mention professionalism in the Super Liga at all. The second and third sources, both of which are the same, confirm only the existence of an organisation called "the professional league". While this suggests some degree of professionalism, it does confirm the degree of professionalism, not mention the fact that there is nothing to stop a completely amateur league from calling itself professional. On top of all that, one must bear in mind the purpose of WP:NSPORT and WP:FPL, namely to determine at a glance which footballers are likely to pass or fail the general notability guideline. The more borderline the the claim to notability under WP:NSPORT, the stronger a claim to general notability must be. As I've already stated in the nomination, this article pretty clearly fails WP:GNG. Sir Sputnik (talk) 23:25, 21 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: I am sorry but if we are going to now say that even though the Albanian league is listed as fully-professional and that kid has played in a match between two teams in the league in a competition he still not notable because the Albanian league is not sourced right. We have 3 sources for Albania. Are all of them wrong? Yes different language but they can be translated. Also if you do consider it not sourced right than how come the league is still listed? It is either fully-pro or not. Take it out if you believe so but if you leave it in than you are saying that any player that plays a match in that league or a domestic cup match between two teams in that league is notable. --Arsenalkid700 (talk) 08:34, 21 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000(talk) 08:56, 21 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albania-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000(talk) 08:56, 21 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep played in a game involving two professional clubs in the cup which will ensure he passes WP:NFOOTY bad luck Seasider91 (talk) 14:53, 21 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 16:21, 21 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - first and foremost fails WP:GNG. Secondly, regarding sporting notability, this match report confirms he played 45 minutes in a cup competition, not enough in my eyes. GiantSnowman 09:40, 23 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - A one-line mention in a single article is not enough to satisfy the GNG. This person is simply not notable enough for an article at this time. Jogurney (talk) 16:17, 25 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.