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Current requests
[edit]Please add new requests at the top of the list, preferably with a link to the parent category (in case of C2C) or relevant article (in case of C2D).
- Category:Donghae City to Category:Donghae, Gangwon – C2D: Donghae, Gangwon seefooddiet (talk) 03:13, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:People from Donghae City to Category:People from Donghae, Gangwon – C2D: Donghae, Gangwon seefooddiet (talk) 03:12, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of Northern Ireland to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of Northern Ireland – C2A: hyphen to en dash for disjunction Stephan Leeds (talk) 01:01, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-electric locomotives of the United Kingdom to Category:Diesel–electric locomotives of the United Kingdom – C2A: hyphen to en dash for disjunction Stephan Leeds (talk) 01:01, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-hydraulic locomotives to Category:Diesel–hydraulic locomotives – C2A: hyphen to en dash for disjunction Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:19, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-hydraulic locomotives by country to Category:Diesel–hydraulic locomotives by country – C2A: hyphen to en dash for disjunction Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:19, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-hydraulic locomotives of Australia to Category:Diesel–hydraulic locomotives of Australia – C2A: hyphen to en dash for disjunction Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:19, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-hydraulic locomotives of China to Category:Diesel–hydraulic locomotives of China – C2A: hyphen to en dash for disjunction Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:19, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-hydraulic locomotives of Finland to Category:Diesel–hydraulic locomotives of Finland – C2A: hyphen to en dash for disjunction Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:19, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-hydraulic locomotives of France to Category:Diesel–hydraulic locomotives of France – C2A: hyphen to en dash for disjunction Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:19, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-hydraulic locomotives of Germany to Category:Diesel–hydraulic locomotives of Germany – C2A: hyphen to en dash for disjunction Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:19, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-hydraulic locomotives of Great Britain to Category:Diesel–hydraulic locomotives of Great Britain – C2A: hyphen to en dash for disjunction Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:19, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-hydraulic locomotives of India to Category:Diesel–hydraulic locomotives of India – C2A: hyphen to en dash for disjunction Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:19, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-hydraulic locomotives of Indonesia to Category:Diesel–hydraulic locomotives of Indonesia – C2A: hyphen to en dash for disjunction Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:19, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-hydraulic locomotives of Japan to Category:Diesel–hydraulic locomotives of Japan – C2A: hyphen to en dash for disjunction Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:19, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-hydraulic locomotives of the Philippines to Category:Diesel–hydraulic locomotives of the Philippines – C2A: hyphen to en dash for disjunction Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:19, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-hydraulic locomotives of Poland to Category:Diesel–hydraulic locomotives of Poland – C2A: hyphen to en dash for disjunction Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:19, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-hydraulic locomotives of South Africa to Category:Diesel–hydraulic locomotives of South Africa – C2A: hyphen to en dash for disjunction Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:19, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-hydraulic locomotives of the United States to Category:Diesel–hydraulic locomotives of the United States – C2A: hyphen to en dash for disjunction Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:19, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Diesel-hydraulic locomotives by country to Category:Diesel–hydraulic locomotives by country – C2A: hyphen to en dash for disjunction Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:19, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Cow-calf locomotives to Category:Cow–calf locomotives – C2A: hyphen to en dash for disjunction Stephan Leeds (talk) 23:49, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:ČKD diesel-electric locomotives to Category:ČKD diesel–electric locomotives – C2A: hyphen to en dash for disjunction Stephan Leeds (talk) 23:47, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Stephan Leeds: You need to tag the categories you nominated as described on the top of this page. Regards, Armbrust The Homunculus 01:42, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:European Conservatives and Reformists member parties to Category:European Conservatives and Reformists Group member parties – C2B: per European Conservatives and Reformists Group/Category:European Conservatives and Reformists Group. Armbrust The Homunculus 22:09, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Battles and Operations of the Second JVP insurrection to Category:Battles and operations of the 1987–1989 JVP insurrection – C2B: per 1987–1989 JVP insurrection/Category:1987–1989 JVP insurrection. Armbrust The Homunculus 22:07, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Metropolis of Kiev, Galicia and all Rus' (1441 - 1596) to Category:Metropolis of Kiev, Galicia and all Rus' (1441–1596) – C2A: per MOS:DATERANGE. Armbrust The Homunculus 22:02, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ventspils apriņķis to Category:Counties of Latvia – C2F. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:08, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Valmieras apriņķis to Category:Counties of Latvia – C2F. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:07, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Valkas apriņķis to Category:Counties of Latvia – C2F. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:07, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Tukuma apriņķis to Category:Counties of Latvia – C2F. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:06, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Talsu apriņķis to Category:Counties of Latvia – C2F. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:06, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Rīgas apriņķis to Category:Counties of Latvia – C2F. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:05, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Rēzeknes apriņķis to Category:Counties of Latvia – C2F. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:04, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ludzas apriņķis to Category:Counties of Latvia – C2F. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:04, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Kuldīgas apriņķis to Category:Counties of Latvia – C2F. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:03, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Jaunjelgavas apriņķis to Category:Counties of Latvia – C2F. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:03, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ilūkstes apriņķis to Category:Counties of Latvia – C2F. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:02, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Grobiņas apriņķis to Category:Counties of Latvia – C2F. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:02, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Dobeles apriņķis to Category:Counties of Latvia – C2F. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:01, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Daugavpils apriņķis to Category:Counties of Latvia – C2F. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:00, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Cēsu apriņķis to Category:Counties of Latvia – C2F. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:59, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Bauskas apriņķis to Category:Counties of Latvia – C2F. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:59, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Abrenes apriņķis to Category:Counties of Latvia – C2F. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:58, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Orion Pictures Corporation to Category:Orion Pictures – C2D: per Orion Pictures. Armbrust The Homunculus 17:28, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:All or Nothing (sports docuseries) to Category:All or Nothing (franchise) – C2D: per All or Nothing (franchise). Armbrust The Homunculus 17:27, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Amazon Game Studios games to Category:Amazon Games games – C2B: per Amazon Games. Armbrust The Homunculus 17:26, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Hartshead to Category:Villages in West Yorkshire – C2F. AusLondonder (talk) 15:01, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Wilbert Tucker Woodson High School alumni to Category:Carter G. Woodson High School alumni per C2D: Carter G. Woodson High School. Sam Sailor 07:34, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ukrainian athletes killed in the Russian invasion of Ukraine to Category:Ukrainian sportspeople killed in the Russian invasion of Ukraine – C2C: Parent is Ukrainian sportspeople. The defining nature of this intersection is questionable imho. But regardless, the category isn't just sportspeople in athletics Mason (talk) 04:13, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Uzbekistani athiests to Category:Uzbekistani atheists – C2A. Mason (talk) 00:39, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Former gangs of Los Angeles to Category:Former gangs in Los Angeles – C2C: All siblings are Former gangers in FOO Category:Former gangs in the United States by city Mason (talk) 00:18, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Biographical films about Depression-era gangsters to Category:Biographical films about American gangsters of the interwar period – C2C: grandparent is American gangsters of the interwar period Mason (talk) 23:53, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Works about Depression-era gangsters to Category:Works about American gangsters of the interwar period – C2C: parent is Category:American gangsters of the interwar period per Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_17#Category:Prohibition-era_gangsters. Mason (talk) 23:49, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Whakatane District to Category:Whakatāne District – C2D: Consistency with Whakatāne District ―Panamitsu (talk) 23:12, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Lists of concert tours of South Korean artists to Category:Lists of concerts and performances of South Korean artists – C2C: Per Category:Lists of concerts and performances following Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 18#Category:Lists of concert tours. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:05, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Airliner shootdown incidents involving fighter aircraft to Category:Airliner shootdown incidents involving combat aircraft – C2E: more general wording, not specific to one particular type of combat aircraft Carguychris (talk) 17:49, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Spillover of the Israel–Hamas war to Category:Middle Eastern crisis (2023–present) – C2D: Middle Eastern crisis (2023–present). Family27390 (talk) 16:54, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Kuru Kingdom to Category:Kuru kingdom – C2D: Kuru kingdom. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:35, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Pragjyotisha Kingdom to Category:Pragjyotisha kingdom – C2D: Pragjyotisha kingdom. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:35, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Iranian Plateau to Category:Iranian plateau – C2D: Iranian plateau. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:33, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Yaksha Kingdom to Category:Yaksha kingdom – C2D: Yaksha kingdom. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:31, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Pagan Kingdom to Category:Pagan kingdom – C2D: Pagan kingdom. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:31, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Södertälje Kings players to Category:Södertälje BBK players – C2D. HanTsî (talk) 15:40, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:PWHL New York to Category:New York Sirens – C2D. User:Namiba 14:14, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:PWHL Montreal coaches to Category:Montreal Victoire coaches – C2D. User:Namiba 14:14, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:PWHL Boston to Category:Boston Fleet – C2D. User:Namiba 14:12, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:PWHL Montreal to Category:Montreal Victoire – C2D. User:Namiba 14:48, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:PWHL Ottawa to Category:Ottawa Charge – C2D. User:Namiba 14:07, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Contesting all PWHL moves. Discussion should be had as to whether these should be separate categories pre- and post-rebrand. Wheatzilopochtli (talk) 16:10, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Jainism in Australia to Category:Jainism by country – C2F. Mason (talk) 04:09, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Malay ghost myth to Category:Malaysian ghosts – for the sake of consistency with other subcategories of Category:Asian ghosts and Category:Ghosts by country. AHI-3000 (talk) 03:10, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
Opposed requests
[edit]- Category:Serbian saints of the Eastern Orthodox Church to Category:Saints of the Serbian Orthodox Church – C2D: main: List of saints of the Serbian Orthodox Church. NLeeuw (talk) 19:53, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Nederlandse Leeuw: doesn't this expand the scope a lot? I am not sure but I can imagine the Serbian Orthodox Church shares sainthood recognition with most of its sister churches. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:38, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle Not really. For comparison, look at Template:Serbian Orthodox saints, which has also already been retitled
Saints of the Serbian Orthodox Church
. NLeeuw (talk) 08:21, 24 October 2024 (UTC)- @Nederlandse Leeuw: I don't think a retitling of a template says a lot. According to [1] the Eastern Orthodox churches recognize each others' saints by default. So it should at least become something like Category:Saints declared by the Serbian Orthodox Church, in order to clarify that it is not about recognition. But that in turn may raise verification issues with saints from long time ago. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:53, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- I think that if you've got an issue with the phrase/concept Saints of the Serbian Orthodox Church as such, it is best discussed at Talk:List of saints of the Serbian Orthodox Church. I'm only suggesting to bring the category name in conformity with the main article. If it is true that Eastern Orthodox churches automatically recognise whatever saint was canonised by any one of them, then I may even agree with you, and would suggest renaming the main article to List of saints canonised/canonized by the Serbian Orthodox Church or something. In other words, it would be a list of canonisations made by Church X rather than a list of saints recognised by Church X, otherwise we would indeed get a lot of unnecessary WP:OVERLAP. NLeeuw (talk) 18:19, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- FYI: Marcocapelle and I decided to indeed take the discussion over to the talk page. I invite others to participate. I expect it will take some time to reach consensus, so I shall withdraw for now. (Taking it to full CFD will not help at this stage, as it will de-centralise the discussion.) NLeeuw (talk) 01:43, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- I think that if you've got an issue with the phrase/concept Saints of the Serbian Orthodox Church as such, it is best discussed at Talk:List of saints of the Serbian Orthodox Church. I'm only suggesting to bring the category name in conformity with the main article. If it is true that Eastern Orthodox churches automatically recognise whatever saint was canonised by any one of them, then I may even agree with you, and would suggest renaming the main article to List of saints canonised/canonized by the Serbian Orthodox Church or something. In other words, it would be a list of canonisations made by Church X rather than a list of saints recognised by Church X, otherwise we would indeed get a lot of unnecessary WP:OVERLAP. NLeeuw (talk) 18:19, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Nederlandse Leeuw: I don't think a retitling of a template says a lot. According to [1] the Eastern Orthodox churches recognize each others' saints by default. So it should at least become something like Category:Saints declared by the Serbian Orthodox Church, in order to clarify that it is not about recognition. But that in turn may raise verification issues with saints from long time ago. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:53, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle Not really. For comparison, look at Template:Serbian Orthodox saints, which has also already been retitled
- @Nederlandse Leeuw: doesn't this expand the scope a lot? I am not sure but I can imagine the Serbian Orthodox Church shares sainthood recognition with most of its sister churches. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:38, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:National Rally (France) to Category:National Rally – C2D. Paul Vaurie (talk) 18:32, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Pre-1876 life peers to Category:Life peers created before 1876 – C2C: with subcategories, and generally clearer — RAVENPVFF · talk · 18:22, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose: Not a list of peers created (i.e. born, or conceived) before 1876, but of peerages. “Category:Life peerages created before 1876” or “Category:Life peerages before 1876” would useful and not inaccurate, and “List of life peerages before 1876” (not category) already exists. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:47, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Stephan Leeds: true, but all the subcats use "Life peers created by…", so the nomination was valid under C2C. Do you want to nominate the cat and its sub-(sub-)cats for a full CFD? – Fayenatic London 21:32, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose: Not a list of peers created (i.e. born, or conceived) before 1876, but of peerages. “Category:Life peerages created before 1876” or “Category:Life peerages before 1876” would useful and not inaccurate, and “List of life peerages before 1876” (not category) already exists. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:47, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Aquaculture in the Philippines to Category:Aquaculture by country – C2F. AusLondonder (talk) 16:56, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- I was able to find another page for the category Mason (talk) 03:11, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Pro-motivational agents to Category:Motivation-enhancing drugs – Category main article motivation-enhancing drug recently renamed, update category name to match (WP:C2D), also WP:C2E (original category creator requesting—different IP address right now but same person). 75.46.150.155 (talk) 16:28, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy Only recently renamed and without discussion, thus C2D doesn't apply. Armbrust The Homunculus 19:51, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- Also oppose C2E rationale, as it is not clear whether this editor is the category creator CFA. – Fayenatic London 12:06, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy Only recently renamed and without discussion, thus C2D doesn't apply. Armbrust The Homunculus 19:51, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
On hold pending other discussion
[edit]- None currently
Moved to full discussion
[edit]- Category:People from Muswellbrook, New South Wales to Category:People from Muswellbrook – C2C: To match parent Category:Muswellbrook. AusLondonder (talk) 13:49, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose The main article of the category is Muswellbrook, New South Wales. Armbrust The Homunculus 15:28, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- I overlooked that, the article should be renamed as Muswellbrook simply redirects there making the disambiguation unnecessary. AusLondonder (talk) 12:40, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:43, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- I overlooked that, the article should be renamed as Muswellbrook simply redirects there making the disambiguation unnecessary. AusLondonder (talk) 12:40, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose The main article of the category is Muswellbrook, New South Wales. Armbrust The Homunculus 15:28, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Baseball pitching to Category:Pitching (baseball) – C2C: to match sister category Category:Batting (baseball). Omnis Scientia (talk) 16:50, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy There is no clear convention for proposed format, therefore C2C doesn't apply. Armbrust The Homunculus 19:49, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- Moved to full Cfd. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:57, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy There is no clear convention for proposed format, therefore C2C doesn't apply. Armbrust The Homunculus 19:49, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Albury, New South Wales to Category:Albury – C2D: To match Albury. AusLondonder (talk) 12:39, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy Albury is ambiguous and therefore C2D doesn't apply. Armbrust The Homunculus 15:36, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Disagree, but moved to CFD. AusLondonder (talk) 12:51, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Link to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:48, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Disagree, but moved to CFD. AusLondonder (talk) 12:51, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy Albury is ambiguous and therefore C2D doesn't apply. Armbrust The Homunculus 15:36, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
Current discussions
[edit]October 27
[edit]NEW NOMINATIONS
[edit]Category:British male tennis players
[edit]- Propose diffusing Category:British male tennis players to Category:English male tennis players etc
- Propose diffusing Category:British female tennis players
- Nominator's rationale: I'm bringing this to CFD because @Crowsus: has requested it. I see no reason why this category should be the non-diffusing parent per WP:DIFFUSE. @Zyxw: made it so in 2020 [2] without any discussion I can find. Mason (talk) 02:01, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks. I would also ask that whatever outcome is reached here be considered to be applied to other groupings of British sportspeople, particularly Swimmers, Cyclists and Athletes (and obviously the subcategories thereof, where created) which have also had this non-diffusing header added. I have already recently gone through these and 'doubled' them for all articles where I can discern which part of the UK they were from, so if it is agreed that they should be removed from British if the home nation is known, the only remainders in the British parent should be the sparsely-sourced stubs or other unusual circumstances of each person. I did ask somewhere (can't remember where, trying to find it) for an explanation on why that non-diffusing thing had been chosen 9and was it a community consensus, but IIRC it was a project without a lot of interaction and nobody replied. Crowsus (talk) 02:32, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
October 26
[edit]Category:Private schools Northern Beaches Sydney
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Category created by a private school, duplicates and doesn't improve on the existing categorisation scheme at Category:Private schools in Sydney and subcategories such as Category:Private secondary schools in Sydney. AusLondonder (talk) 11:24, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- If merged also merge to Category:Northern Beaches, I do not see a reason to remove the articles from that tree. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:00, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per rationale. 2024 is Underway (talk) 07:28, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Nomination favors deletion – should we merge? If so, to which targets?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:07, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:All Elite Wrestling personnel
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: This should not be a category because AEW roster is not permanent. Also, both List of All Elite Wrestling personnel and Template:All Elite Wrestling cover the current roster. A similar category was deleted in July 2024. See Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 July 14#Category:WWE wrestlers for the details. Mann Mann (talk) 08:39, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, but expand to cover all past and present wrestlers. E.g. we have the category McDonald's people which covers everyone with an article who has ever worked for McDonald's. McPhail (talk) 09:07, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. A wrestling promotion =/= McDonald. Dozens of wrestlers and wrestling personalities have worked for AEW, and many of them just appeared in one match or dark matches. And don't forget cameo appearances. As I mentioned, the navbox and the list cover this topic. Plus List of former All Elite Wrestling personnel exists too. --Mann Mann (talk) 22:19, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- Right, the McDonald's category contains people with a fulltime employment contract, that isn't a fair comparison. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:59, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Charlotte (Queen of Hearts • talk) 19:31, 19 October 2024 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 22:54, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Settlement of the pro-Japanese collaboration
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Not sure what the best name for this category is; it's currently grammatically incorrect, and doesn't match parent category Category:Korean collaborators with Imperial Japan. seefooddiet (talk) 18:42, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment, I removed Category:History of North Korea as a parent of this category since all content is related to South Korea. And I removed article Lim Heon-yong from this category since there is nothing about settlement in this article. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:54, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I do not see Marcocapelle's comment as opposing a rename; if anyone does oppose a rename please speak up :)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 22:54, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
Alta California before 1824
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:18th century in Alta California to Category:18th century in The Californias
- Propose renaming Category:18th-century establishments in Alta California to Category:18th-century establishments in The Californias
- Propose renaming Category:1760s in Alta California to Category:1760s in The Californias
- Propose renaming Category:1770s in Alta California to Category:1770s in The Californias
- Propose renaming Category:1780s in Alta California to Category:1780s in The Californias
- Propose renaming Category:1790s in Alta California to Category:1790s in The Californias
- Propose renaming Category:1760s establishments in Alta California to Category:1760s establishments in The Californias
- Propose renaming Category:1770s in Alta California to Category:1770s establishments in The Californias
- Propose renaming Category:1780s in Alta California to Category:1780s establishments in The Californias
- Propose renaming Category:1790s establishments in Alta California to Category:1790s establishments in The Californias
- Propose renaming Category:Years of the 18th century in Alta California to Category:Years of the 18th century in The Californias
- Propose renaming Category:1800s in Alta California to Category:1800s in Nueva California
- Propose renaming Category:1810s in Alta California to Category:1800s in Nueva California
- Propose renaming Category:1800s establishments in Alta California to Category:1800s establishments in Nueva California
- Propose renaming Category:1810s establishments in Alta California to Category:1810s establishments in Nueva California
- Nominator's rationale: rename, according to article Alta California, the province was called The/Las Californias until 1804 (and also contained Baja California) and was called Nueva California until 1824. Instead of The Californias as a rename target I would also be fine with Province of Las Californias, per article title Province of Las Californias. When there is no opposition I will add the year categories to the nomination too. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:31, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Large bundled nomination; relisting to give extra time for objections.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 22:53, 26 October 2024 (UTC)- Question: Should it be "The Californias" instead of "the Californias"? Mason (talk) 02:07, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Online-only games
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: This is not a defining trait, mostly because it not executed properly (can you imagine all browser games that require WIFI in existence already?) it also heavily conflicts Category:Multiplayer online games which mostly contains games only having a multiplayer online mode QuantumFoam66 (talk) 02:42, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Why not merge and leave as a redirect? That would reduce the chances of this being created again. Mason (talk) 03:12, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Merge and redirect?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 22:51, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Republican cities of Latvia
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:Republican cities of Latvia to Category:State cities of Latvia
- Nominator's rationale: rename, according to Administrative divisions of Latvia the correct name is state city. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:04, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Chaoyang County
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Chaoyang County to Category:Chaoyang, Liaoning
- Nominator's rationale: Largely duplicative category containing a single article. Unhelpful for navigation. AusLondonder (talk) 15:17, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:08, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Skelton-in-Cleveland
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Skelton-in-Cleveland to Category:Redcar and Cleveland
- Nominator's rationale: Category containing only the main article and an article about a long-defunct railway station. Merging to parent is more suitable categorisation. AusLondonder (talk) 15:05, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Just delete, both articles are already in the tree of Category:Redcar and Cleveland. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:09, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- I've added a church and there is another at Commons:Category:All Saints' Church, Skelton in Cleveland that could probably have an article however although I don't think SMALLCAT would apply it might just be better to delete and re create later if necessary. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:15, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Hatherleigh
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Hatherleigh to Category:Borough of West Devon
- Nominator's rationale: Category containing only the main article and an article about a long-defunct railway station. Merging to parent is more suitable categorisation. AusLondonder (talk) 14:59, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:10, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- This is a town not a village however its a small one of less than a thousand for the settlement and nearly 2 thousand for the parish. There are 91 listed buildings of which at least some such as the Grade I listed church probably qualifies for an article and there are 2 Grade II* buildings. I don't object to deletion as the author but I don't think WP:SMALLCAT would apply as there is scope for expansion but it might be better to just wait until we have more articles. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:02, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Please review the purpose of categories. It'll help you craft better arguments. Mason (talk) 02:11, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Benwick
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Benwick to Category:Fenland District
- Nominator's rationale: Category containing only an article about a village already in the parent category and a defunct railway, better categorised in the parent. AusLondonder (talk) 14:52, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:12, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think WP:SMALLCAT would apply as its quite possible there will be other things in the parish that can have articles but it only has 1 listed building and if other things can be created it would probably be better to just wait until then and re create if necessary. Until April there was Benwick Parish Council but that probably doesn't need an article so merged made sense. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:09, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Small cat doesn't apply, but the convention has been that a single page isn't helpful for navigation. Mason (talk) 02:10, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:MultiVersus characters
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: I feel like, unlike Category:Super Smash Bros. fighters, this category would not be considered WP:DEFINING for any of the characters involved. (Oinkers42) (talk) 14:03, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Per nom, a cameo appearance is not defining. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:15, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Towns and villages in Latvia
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Towns and villages in Latvia to Category:Populated places in Latvia
- Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with two (very obvious) subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:30, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support - a distinction without a difference, as far as {{WP Cities}} is concerned. ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 14:14, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Vehicle-building video games
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: I'm not getting much that confirms a "vehicle-building" genre really exists. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 12:29, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Secernentea
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Secernentea to Category:Nematodes
- Nominator's rationale: WoRMS and the article on Secernentea agree that this taxon is no longer in use. jlwoodwa (talk) 01:49, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:SubGenii by nationality
[edit]- Propose merging Category:SubGenii by nationality to Category:SubGenii
- Nominator's rationale: Redudant category layer Mason (talk) 00:43, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, not a defining characteristic of the subjects in the category. If not deleted, merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:21, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. Deleting this category doesn't solve the problem, because this is a container category. It would just isolate the child categories. Mason (talk) 02:08, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Hong Kong–Saudi Arabia relations
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Hong Kong–Saudi Arabia relations to Category:China–Saudi Arabia relations
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge. This category is extremely narrow intersection that really doesn't have sufficient pages to population it. (I looked) Mason (talk) 00:37, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support as per the recent developments. Srijanx22 (talk) 05:26, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- That's not a reason to keep a category. And it's non-responsive to the issue at hand. There's literally only one page in here, which is not helpful for navigation. Mason (talk) 02:09, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. It would have been different if the article was about an event before 1997 but that is not the case. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:24, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Films scored by Naved Parvez
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Naved Parvez was deleted in 2020. This category was created in 2024 and has 9 articles. I'm not sure if this category is needed as Parvez doesn't have an article. MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 00:09, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support - The main article was deleted. The category must also go. Srijanx22 (talk) 05:27, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Question: wouldn't this be sufficient for a list? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:28, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
October 25
[edit]Category:Chancellors of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Overlaping categories. If not merged, the older category should be renamed rather than reverse merged. Mason (talk) 23:40, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Dual merge, also to Category:Government officials of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:57, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Sounds good Mason (talk) 02:11, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Mosques of Leicestershire
[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Mosques of Leicestershire to Category:Mosques in Leicestershire
- Also propose renaming Category:Mosques of Lincolnshire to Category:Mosques in Lincolnshire
- Nominator's rationale: Compatibility with Category:Mosques in England and Category:Churches in Leicestershire, etc. PamD 10:58, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:02, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- I would support upmerging Category:Mosques of Leicestershire to Category:Mosques in England as it contains a single article which is also already categorised in the mosques of England category. AusLondonder (talk) 00:10, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- I support merging/deleting this category too. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:43, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- It now has two entries, and given the diverse population of Leicester I expect there may be many more to be created - and we have an editor who is creating a lot of mosque articles. PamD 07:43, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
- I support merging/deleting this category too. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:43, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Merge Category:Mosques of Leicestershire? I am not seeing objections to renaming if kept.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:27, 18 October 2024 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: See above relisting question. Merge?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:07, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support - "in" sounds better. Raymond3023 (talk) 11:08, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support upmerge. Otherwise rename. ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 14:15, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
Reformed Christianity
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:Calvinist and Reformed Christians to Category:Reformed Christians
- Propose renaming Category:Calvinist and Reformed Christians by century to Category:Reformed Christians by century
- Propose renaming Category:Calvinist and Reformed Christians by denomination to Category:Reformed Christians by denomination
- Propose renaming Category:Calvinist and Reformed Christians by nationality to Category:Reformed Christians by nationality
- Propose renaming Category:Calvinist and Reformed anti-apartheid activists to Category:Reformed anti-apartheid activists
- Propose renaming Category:Converts to Calvinism to Category:Converts to Reformed Christianity
- Propose renaming Category:Former Calvinist and Reformed Christians to Category:Former Reformed Christians
- Propose renaming Category:LGBTQ Calvinist and Reformed Christians to Category:LGBTQ Reformed Christians
- Propose renaming Category:Calvinist and Reformed religious workers to Category:Reformed religious workers
- Propose renaming Category:Calvinist and Reformed Christian socialists to Category:Reformed Christian socialists
- Propose renaming Category:Calvinist organizations to Category:Reformed organizations
- Propose renaming Category:Calvinist theology to Category:Reformed theology
- Propose renaming Category:Calvinist and Reformed theologians to Category:Reformed theologians
- Propose renaming Category:Calvinist and Reformed theologians by nationality to Category:Reformed theologians by nationality
- Propose renaming Category:Calvinist and Reformed theologians by century to Category:Reformed theologians by century
- Propose renaming Category:American Calvinist and Reformed theologians to Category:American Reformed theologians
- Propose renaming Category:Belgian Calvinist and Reformed theologians to Category:Belgian Reformed theologians
- Propose renaming Category:Canadian Calvinist and Reformed theologians to Category:Canadian Reformed theologians
- Propose renaming Category:Dutch Calvinist and Reformed theologians to Category:Dutch Reformed theologians
- Propose renaming Category:English Calvinist and Reformed theologians to Category:English Reformed theologians
- Propose renaming Category:French Calvinist and Reformed theologians to Category:French Reformed theologians
- Propose renaming Category:German Calvinist and Reformed theologians to Category:German Reformed theologians
- Propose renaming Category:Irish Calvinist and Reformed theologians to Category:Irish Reformed theologians
- Propose renaming Category:Italian Calvinist and Reformed theologians to Category:Italian Reformed theologians
- Propose renaming Category:Scottish Calvinist and Reformed theologians to Category:Scottish Reformed theologians
- Propose renaming Category:South African Calvinist and Reformed theologians to Category:South African Reformed theologians
- Propose renaming Category:Swiss Calvinist and Reformed theologians to Category:Swiss Reformed theologians
- Propose renaming Category:Welsh Calvinist and Reformed theologians to Category:Welsh Reformed theologians
- Propose renaming Category:16th-century Calvinist and Reformed theologians to Category:16th-century Reformed theologians
- Propose renaming Category:17th-century Calvinist and Reformed theologians to Category:17th-century Reformed theologians
- Propose renaming Category:18th-century Calvinist and Reformed theologians to Category:18th-century Reformed theologians
- Propose renaming Category:19th-century Calvinist and Reformed theologians to Category:19th-century Reformed theologians
- Propose renaming Category:20th-century Calvinist and Reformed theologians to Category:20th-century Reformed theologians
- Propose renaming Category:21st-century Calvinist and Reformed theologians to Category:21st-century Reformed theologians
- Nominator's rationale: Now that the main article has been moved to the correct title, these categories should also be moved according to the C2D criteria ('Consistency with the main article's name'). --Humpser (talk) 18:36, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support in principle, per nom. I do not know if it should be Reformed or reformed though. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:07, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Should "reformed" be capitalized?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:04, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. If it is moved, "Reformed" should definitely be capitalised. But many people who identify as Calvinist will not identify as Reformed, and splitting the categories up will be too hard. The double categorization was a good way of getting around the problem, since there is obviously a lot of overlap, but "it is almost only in the United States that “Reformed” and “Calvinist” came to be identified as synonyms" (Roger E. Olson). StAnselm (talk) 00:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- In the Netherlands they were also sort of synonymous, though Calvinist usually referred to the doctrine of the church and reformed was in the name of the church (Dutch Reformed Church etc.). In the Dutch situation, Arminians are considered to be neither Calvinists nor reformed, so the rename is perfectly ok. In Switzerland the rename is particularly useful because Calvinism and Zwinglianism quickly merged to reformed. That fits with Olson's statement quoted above that reformed is broader than Calvinist. Renaming the categories to reformed does not harm in that case (possibly there could be a Calvinist subcategory but I do not expect so.) If the rename is a problem somewhere else than in the US, Netherlands or Switzerland, I'd like to hear specifically in which country. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:08, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Lean opposed. Wouldn't this narrow the category? This seems like making a lot of extra work and narrow the category. Mason (talk) 02:14, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- In the Netherlands they were also sort of synonymous, though Calvinist usually referred to the doctrine of the church and reformed was in the name of the church (Dutch Reformed Church etc.). In the Dutch situation, Arminians are considered to be neither Calvinists nor reformed, so the rename is perfectly ok. In Switzerland the rename is particularly useful because Calvinism and Zwinglianism quickly merged to reformed. That fits with Olson's statement quoted above that reformed is broader than Calvinist. Renaming the categories to reformed does not harm in that case (possibly there could be a Calvinist subcategory but I do not expect so.) If the rename is a problem somewhere else than in the US, Netherlands or Switzerland, I'd like to hear specifically in which country. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:08, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Titles held only by one person
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: The corresponding article for this topic was deleted a year ago, and I don't think this topic is particularly notable or likely to be covered in academic sources. Векочел (talk) 22:27, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Most of these are short-lived political offices. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:19, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Petroleum industry in Turkey
[edit]- Propose splitting Category:Petroleum industry in Turkey to Category:Industry in Turkey and Category:Petroleum industry by country
- Nominator's rationale: Category containing one article, unhelpful for navigation. AusLondonder (talk) 19:27, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- I just noticed there is also a category called ‘Petroleum in Turkey’ so I put the page there instead. So as category now empty I suggest deleting it Chidgk1 (talk) 06:34, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- The category is meanwhile empty. I remember it contained Oil in Turkey only. I am ok with deletion as well as with merge. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:36, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Yep, category has been emptied. Liz Read! Talk! 06:47, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Musical instruments played with drum sticks
[edit]- Propose deleting Category:Musical instruments played with drum sticks (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Percussion instruments played with specialised beaters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Musical instruments played with soft mallets (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Percussion instruments by playing technique (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Struck idiophones played by hand (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Why do these exist? They are not actual categories like Category:Hand drums or any of the Hornbostel-Sachs divisions. The latter is a duplicate of Category:Hand percussion. Why? I Ask (talk) 18:36, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. But I admit I do not understand nom's rationale. While Wikipedia rightly uses Hornbostel–Sachs extensively, we need not restrict ourselves to this scheme of categorisation, and nothing in Wikipedia:Categorization supports doing this. Nor do guidelines mention actual categories (or have I missed it?) whatever these are. On the other hand these categories each refer to a defining characteristic. At the very least, nom should clarify their rationale and relate it to the guidelines. Andrewa (talk) 21:15, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- (Note that Andrewa is the creator). To clarify using formal Wikipedia terms, none of these categories are defining per WP:DEFINING. In fact, to say a snare drum can be categorized by its beater is wrong. Sure, it is played with sticks, but also soft timpani mallets, brushes (a type of specialty beater), and rutes. Hell, see Swerve by Gene Koshinski. The snare is played with hands, a triangle beater, and a door stop, and it is among the more popular solos for the instrument. The implements used to play percussion are non-defining given the nature of the instrument family and can be confusing for readers. Bongos is a hand drum but it is also incredibly common to play with sticks. I could place nearly any percussion instrument into all three of the first categories and it would be, to a certain extent, correct. Thus, these categories are useless. Why? I Ask (talk) 22:17, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, it is no secret that I created this category. Nor is it relevant. I still get a !vote. Or do you see it as a COI?
- A snare drum is certainly played with beaters other than sticks... I regularly use rutes. But it can also be played using sticks, and most normally is. This distinguishes it from tympani and the conga for example. (In fact playing either of these with sticks risks damaging the head. I suppose it's no worse than a prepared piano but please don't try it.)
- So to say that to say a snare drum can be categorized by its beater is wrong is itself wrong, in my opinion. Andrewa (talk) 21:00, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- (Note that Andrewa is the creator). To clarify using formal Wikipedia terms, none of these categories are defining per WP:DEFINING. In fact, to say a snare drum can be categorized by its beater is wrong. Sure, it is played with sticks, but also soft timpani mallets, brushes (a type of specialty beater), and rutes. Hell, see Swerve by Gene Koshinski. The snare is played with hands, a triangle beater, and a door stop, and it is among the more popular solos for the instrument. The implements used to play percussion are non-defining given the nature of the instrument family and can be confusing for readers. Bongos is a hand drum but it is also incredibly common to play with sticks. I could place nearly any percussion instrument into all three of the first categories and it would be, to a certain extent, correct. Thus, these categories are useless. Why? I Ask (talk) 22:17, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: The question of whether Category:Hand drums... is a duplicate of Category:Hand percussion (as nom seems to think) is a separate issue, but as the owner of several hand cymbals I have an opinion on this too. I thank nom for bringing it to my attention... some suspended cymbals are played and intended to be played by hand, for example my awesome Paiste Traditionals 11" thin splash (scroll down to it). So some work is needed on the hand cymbals redirect. Andrewa (talk) 21:28, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. But I admit I do not understand nom's rationale. While Wikipedia rightly uses Hornbostel–Sachs extensively, we need not restrict ourselves to this scheme of categorisation, and nothing in Wikipedia:Categorization supports doing this. Nor do guidelines mention actual categories (or have I missed it?) whatever these are. On the other hand these categories each refer to a defining characteristic. At the very least, nom should clarify their rationale and relate it to the guidelines. Andrewa (talk) 21:15, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
Films directed by
[edit]- Propose deleting Category:Films directed by Dave Bullock (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Films directed by Harry R. Durant (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Films directed by Matt Flynn (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Films directed by Jim Handley (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Films directed by William H. Grimes (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Per longstanding consensus, a filmmaker has to have a biographical article about them before getting a "Films directed by" category to batch their films under. None of these categories have corresponding articles and all consist of only one film. An effort was make to broaden the categories by searching for other works by these filmmakers, and none were found. Vegantics (talk) 18:31, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:40, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Saulkrasti
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Saulkrasti to Category:Saulkrasti Municipality
- Nominator's rationale: merge, only two articles in the category which are already interlinked directly. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:14, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support Per nom. AusLondonder (talk) 18:39, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Manosphere
[edit]- Propose splitting Category:Manosphere to Category:Manosphere and Category:Manosphere supporters
- Nominator's rationale: WP:COPSEP. Alternatively purge of individuals as Category:Men's rights activists exists. --woodensuperman 15:05, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Purge biographies, they are either in men's rights activists or it is a case of WP:OPINIONCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:08, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Purge biographies and add to Category:Men's rights activists per @Marcocapelle. "Manosphere supporters" is too subjective and arguably fails MOS:LABEL; if an included individual doesn't rightly belong in the men's rights category, we're definitely wading into WP:OPINIONCAT territory. Carguychris (talk) 22:05, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Purge and replace with Category:Men's rights activists. Raymond3023 (talk) 11:36, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- The latter not necessarily so, only replace if they really are activists. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:15, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Works about Yugoslav history
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Works about Yugoslav history to Category:Works about Yugoslavia
- Propose merging Category:History of Yugoslavia in fiction to Category:Yugoslavia in fiction
- Nominator's rationale: merge, not a clear distinction versus its parent category, considering that Yugoslavia itself is meanwhile history. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:50, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support, following Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_16#Category:History_of_Yugoslavia. – Fayenatic London 15:17, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Populated places in the Kingdom of Galicia and Lodomeria
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: delete, not a defining characteristic, we do not usually categorize populated places by former country divisions, we do not have Category:Populated places in the Austrian Empire either. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:43, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Aviation accidents and incidents caused by fighter aircraft shootdowns
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: The category name is grammatically awkward, overlong, and overbroad. All incidents currently listed in the category involve airliners, creating a branch of Category:Aviation accidents and incidents that largely and needlessly duplicates Category:Airliner shootdown incidents. Such incidents should only be listed in one of these category trees. Additionally, the category potentially encompasses combat in war depending on the definition of "incidents"; this creates potential category overlap with Category:20th-century aircraft shootdown incidents and Category:21st-century aircraft shootdown incidents. (Relisting to seek clearer consensus; I CfD'd this category previously but drafted the nomination poorly and did not suggest a merger target.) Carguychris (talk) 14:20, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- The target has just been created so it is actually more like a rename. At least keep the page history of the older page. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:08, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, the target category is largely a duplicate today, but it's clearly under the proper category tree and doesn't potentially encompass dozens of articles about aerial combat. Carguychris (talk) 22:10, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Aloja, Latvia
[edit]- Propose deleting Category:Aloja, Latvia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Auce (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Brocēni (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Jaunjelgava (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) added the next day
- Propose deleting Category:Lubāna (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) added the next day
- Propose deleting Category:Madona (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) added the next day
- Propose deleting Category:Sabile (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) added the next day
- Propose deleting Category:Smiltene (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) added the next day
- Nominator's rationale: delete, each of these categories only contains the eponymous article and a subcategory. The subcategory suffices. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:35, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 14:16, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Esports techniques
[edit]- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was: withdrawn. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 03:16, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Esports techniques to Category:Video game techniques and strategies
- Nominator's rationale: This rename will make this category more broad, the Russian Wikipedia ironically already goes for more board scope as opposed to targeting esports specifically. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 23:43, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, but by all means create a parent category Category:Video game techniques and strategies and populate it. There is no reason specified why we would remove the articles in this category from the tree of Category:Esports. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:36, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment, I removed the sitelink to the Russian Wikipedia from this page. Also I used the targeted name "Video game techniques and strategies" instead of "Video game techniques" due to the conflict with techniques and strategies being different. Though, yeah you're right, don't rename
- QuantumFoam66 (talk) 22:28, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on Marcocapelle's suggestion?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 02:56, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- @HouseBlaster: this may be closed as withdrawn. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:14, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- I misread the discussion. Apologies. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 03:16, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
October 24
[edit]Category:Operations against organized crime
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:Operations against organized crime (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Law enforcement operations against organized crime
- Propose renaming Category:Operations against organized crime by country (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Law enforcement operations against organized crime by country
- Propose renaming Category:Operations against organized crime in Austria (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Law enforcement operations against organized crime in Austria
- Propose renaming Category:Operations against organized crime in Canada (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Law enforcement operations against organized crime in Canada
- Propose renaming Category:Operations against organized crime in China (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Law enforcement operations against organized crime in China
- Propose renaming Category:Operations against organized crime in Colombia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Law enforcement operations against organized crime in Colombia
- Propose renaming Category:Operations against organized crime in El Salvador (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Law enforcement operations against organized crime in El Salvador
- Propose renaming Category:Operations against organized crime in Honduras (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Law enforcement operations against organized crime in Honduras
- Propose renaming Category:Operations against organised crime in India (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Law enforcement operations against organised crime in India
- Propose renaming Category:Operations against organised crime in Ireland (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Law enforcement operations against organised crime in Ireland
- Propose renaming Category:Operations against organized crime in Italy (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Law enforcement operations against organized crime in Italy
- Propose renaming Category:Operations against organized crime in Mexico (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Law enforcement operations against organized crime in Mexico
- Propose renaming Category:Operations against organised crime in Pakistan (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Law enforcement operations against organised crime in Pakistan
- Propose renaming Category:Operations against organized crime in Serbia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Law enforcement operations against organized crime in Serbia
- Propose renaming Category:Operations against organized crime in Spain (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Law enforcement operations against organized crime in Spain
- Propose renaming Category:Operations against organised crime in the United Kingdom (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Law enforcement operations against organised crime in the United Kingdom
- Propose renaming Category:Operations against organized crime in the United States (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Law enforcement operations against organized crime in the United States
- Nominator's rationale: Consistency with parent Category:Law enforcement operations. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 20:09, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Maybe, but there's also a parent Military operations by type, so the top category should rather be split to Category:Law enforcement operations against organized crime and Category:Military operations against organized crime. United States invasion of Panama would go in the latter, and at least 2024 Ecuadorian conflict, War on drugs in Ecuador and Operation Snowcap would go in both. – Fayenatic London 12:11, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- That's not unreasonable, since there is an important difference between military and law enforcement. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:21, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Child pornography crackdowns
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Actual contents are mostly law enforcement operations. Those that aren't should be purged and relocated to other subcategories of Category:Child pornography. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:57, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
Empires and kingdoms of foo
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Empires and kingdoms of Afghanistan to Category:Former political entities in Afghanistan
- Propose merging Category:Empires and kingdoms of India to Category:Former countries in Indian history
- Propose renaming Category:Ancient empires and kingdoms of India to Category:Ancient polities in India
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval empires and kingdoms of India to Category:Medieval polities in India
- Propose renaming Category:Former political entities in Afghanistan to Category:Former polities in Afghanistan
- Propose renaming Category:Former countries in Indian history to Category:Former polities in India
- Propose renaming Category:Empires and kingdoms of Iran to Category:Former polities in Iran
- Propose renaming Category:Empires and kingdoms of Nepal to Category:Former polities in Nepal
- Propose renaming Category:Empires and kingdoms of Pakistan to Category:Former polities in Pakistan
- Nominator's rationale: These are not all "empires and kingdoms", but rather include all historical states which once inhabited the modern-day territory of these countries. Opting for "polities" rather than "states" to remove any ambiguity (and these were not all "countries" either). Category:Former political entities in Afghanistan (currently the lone country cat in Category:Former territorial entities in Asia) and Category:Former countries in Indian history already exist, and thus Category:Empires and kingdoms of Afghanistan and Category:Empires and kingdoms of India should be merged there, and the two parents renamed with the desired naming scheme. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 00:40, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, if there are any articles not about kingdoms or empires they should be purged, but at first glance all content is ok. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:51, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
- Rename Category:Empires and kingdoms of Pakistan to Category:Former monarchies in Pakistani history, Category:Empires and kingdoms of Afghanistan to Category:Former monarchies in Afghan history, Category:Empires and kingdoms of Iran to Category:Former monarchies of Iran, Category:Empires and kingdoms of Nepal to Category:Former monarchies of Nepal, Category:Empires and kingdoms of India to Category:Former monarchies of India, Category:Ancient empires and kingdoms of India to Category:Ancient Indian monarchies, Category:Medieval empires and kingdoms of India to Category:Medieval Indian monarchies.
Rename Category:Empires and kingdoms of Pakistan to Category:Former countries in Pakistani history, Category:Empires and kingdoms of Afghanistan to Category:Former countries in Afghan history, Category:Empires and kingdoms of Iran to Category:Former countries in Iranian history, Category:Empires and kingdoms of Nepal to Category:Former countries in Nepali history, and merge Category:Empires and kingdoms of India to Category:Former countries in Indian history. The current names have issues related to anachronism that needs to be fixed. (Changed vote after discussion below)Merge to Category:History of Pakistan, Category:History of Afghanistan, Category:History of Nepal, or any of their sub-categories. These categories are unnecessary and non-conventional and have issues related to anachronism. The nominated categories appear to be one of a kind almost exclusively found in the South Asian topic area. Other articles related to former polities use categories such as Former kingdoms or Former empires along with Medieval history of Germany, Modern History of Italy, and so on. There is no reason South Asian topics should be an exception.PadFoot (talk) 12:37, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
- In fact there is a Category:Italian states. I sympathize with the argument of anachronism, but merging to general history categories would result in these categories becoming very messy. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:40, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, I think that Category:Italian states does not pose a similar issue as it seems to be based on ethnicity and/or a link to a historical region, and thus is not anachronistic. To me, anachronism seems to be a significant issue in the case of the nominated categories, which needs to be addressed in one way or another. PadFoot (talk) 13:39, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
- I am not sure how to conclude that it is based on ethnicity or historical region. The category just lists all states within the boundaries of 21st-century Italy. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:21, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, See the category itself. It says in the top:
Besides, what is important is that the nominated categories present issues of anachronism. Perhaps you could suggest a way to fix that? PadFoot (talk) 02:49, 17 October 2024 (UTC)This category contains articles on former Italian countries and polities. This category contain all the former states south of the Alpine water divide (North Italy) and in the Italian Peninsula and all the states of Italian language and or culture.
- The Italian Peninsula may well be considered to be a region, but current North Italy isn't part of it. North Italy is included in the category just because it belongs to the current state of Italy. There is also Category:Former countries in Spanish history. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:47, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- North Italy is indeed a part of it. See the very first line of the article on Italian Peninsula:
Besides, the cat also mentions "states of Italian language and culture". However, you have convinced me that the categories should be retained and not merged, but should be renamed (in one way or another) to fix the anachronism. Perhaps, we should also expand in the categories. PadFoot (talk) 12:01, 17 October 2024 (UTC)is a peninsula extending from the southern Alps in the north to the central Mediterranean Sea in the south
- North Italy is indeed a part of it. See the very first line of the article on Italian Peninsula:
- The Italian Peninsula may well be considered to be a region, but current North Italy isn't part of it. North Italy is included in the category just because it belongs to the current state of Italy. There is also Category:Former countries in Spanish history. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:47, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, See the category itself. It says in the top:
- I am not sure how to conclude that it is based on ethnicity or historical region. The category just lists all states within the boundaries of 21st-century Italy. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:21, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, I think that Category:Italian states does not pose a similar issue as it seems to be based on ethnicity and/or a link to a historical region, and thus is not anachronistic. To me, anachronism seems to be a significant issue in the case of the nominated categories, which needs to be addressed in one way or another. PadFoot (talk) 13:39, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
- In fact there is a Category:Italian states. I sympathize with the argument of anachronism, but merging to general history categories would result in these categories becoming very messy. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:40, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
- @PadFoot2008: please do not remove articles from any of the nominated categories while we are discussing them. If you think there are other issues with these categories you can raise them here. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:17, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- With the revised rename proposal, it is still not clear what is wrong with "empires and kingdoms". For brevity we might rename it to "monarchies" but any rename beyond that seems unnecessary. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:13, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, monarchies would be good, but there would still be a problem with anachronism, which is why I suggest changing "of country" to "in country history", (like "in Spanish history" instead of "of Spain"). PadFoot (talk) 17:01, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Let's keep it at monarchies then. I do not have a clear opinion on "of country" versus "in country history". Marcocapelle (talk) 17:19, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, Alright. Shall I change my proposal to "Monarchies of India", "Ancient monarchies of India" and so on then? Would that be good? PadFoot (talk) 17:31, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- @PadFoot2008: that would definitely be helpful for the closer of the discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:39, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, I've placed a new proposal. A problem I see with this however is that we get anachronistic constructs such as "Monarchies of Pakistan" (or earlier "Empires and kingdoms of Pakistan"), as these monarchies didn't exist in a territory called 'Pakistan', which is why I think that "Monarchies in Pakistani history"/"Former monarchies in Pakistani history" would be better in this case. PadFoot (talk) 18:01, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Ok. I am not opposing it. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:09, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Alright, thanks. PadFoot (talk) 02:00, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, is it possible to nominate the same category twice or do I have to wait until this is over? PadFoot (talk) 12:36, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Don't worry, the closer will read the entire discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:46, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Ok. I am not opposing it. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:09, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, I've placed a new proposal. A problem I see with this however is that we get anachronistic constructs such as "Monarchies of Pakistan" (or earlier "Empires and kingdoms of Pakistan"), as these monarchies didn't exist in a territory called 'Pakistan', which is why I think that "Monarchies in Pakistani history"/"Former monarchies in Pakistani history" would be better in this case. PadFoot (talk) 18:01, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- @PadFoot2008: that would definitely be helpful for the closer of the discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:39, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, Alright. Shall I change my proposal to "Monarchies of India", "Ancient monarchies of India" and so on then? Would that be good? PadFoot (talk) 17:31, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Let's keep it at monarchies then. I do not have a clear opinion on "of country" versus "in country history". Marcocapelle (talk) 17:19, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, monarchies would be good, but there would still be a problem with anachronism, which is why I suggest changing "of country" to "in country history", (like "in Spanish history" instead of "of Spain"). PadFoot (talk) 17:01, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on the alternative name suggested by PadFoot?
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Category:Unassessed vital articles
[edit]- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was: deleted out of process. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:20, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Category Category:Unassessed vital articles is a project page! Also, I don't understand New Nominations, but I am pretty sure there aren't any. It is used for WikiProject Vital Articles, so why is it a canidate for speedy deletion? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hellow i am here (talk • contribs) 19:55, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment The above comment was malformed and is now fixed. Speedy delete per C4. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:59, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- For the record, this was within Category:Wikipedia vital articles needing attention, Category:Vital articles by quality and Category:Unassessed articles. It was tagged with {{db-c1}} on 17 Oct by MSGJ, saying "no longer in use, using Category:Wikipedia vital articles needing attention instead". At 20:10 on 24 Oct, LaundryPizza03 tagged it with {{db-c4}}, then Liz deleted it the same day. – Fayenatic London 12:25, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Please see Wikipedia talk:Vital articles#Articles which need attention where I proposed that this category be merged with another — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:30, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
Early abbots by century
[edit]- Propose deleting Category:5th-century abbots
- Propose deleting Category:6th-century abbots
- Propose deleting Category:7th-century abbots
- Propose deleting Category:8th-century abbots
- Propose deleting Category:9th-century abbots
- Propose deleting Category:10th-century abbots
- Propose deleting Category:11th-century abbots
- Propose deleting Category:12th-century abbots
- Nominator's rationale: the earliest non-Christian (Buddhist) abbot that we have an article about is Yishan Yining who lived in the 13th century. These categories don't contribute to navigation until we have articles about earlier Buddhist abbots. All Irish abbots of this period were Christian abbots and can be added as subcategories thereof. It would be naieve to state that these Irish abbots do not belong in Christian abbots just because the Irish category name does not specify "Christian". Wikipedia should reflect the real world and not get stuck too much in its internal organization. The real world is that there weren't Buddhist abbots in medieval Ireland, they were all Christian. This nomination is of course without objection to recreation once we have articles about earlier Buddhist abbots. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:07, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. > It would be naieve to state that these Irish abbots do not belong in Christian abbots just because the Irish category name does not specify "Christian".
- I never said that the individuals in the page don't belong in the Christian abbots category. I said that you shouldn't be conflating nationality and religion at the category level. Three things: I don't see why you're suggesting deletion, instead of merging. This deletion is going to break the abbot by nationality template. This seems premature, given that I asked you about this on your talk page. Mason (talk) 21:47, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Nederlandse Leeuw and Fayenatic london: what do you think of this? Better to have third-party input here. The discussion is in the first place about whether (medieval) Irish abbots should be a subcategory or a sibling of Christian abbots. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:42, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- Well first of all, why would you delete these categories rather than upmerging them to Category:Medieval abbots? NLeeuw (talk) 05:52, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Since these have subcats for both Irish and Christian abbots by century, and are part of e.g. 12th-century religious leaders and 12th-century monks, it seems to me best to keep the hierarchy intact. – Fayenatic London 10:23, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- I think that Marco's point is that everyone in the Irish abbot tree is also a Christian abbot. I'd already tried to discuss this issue, but they're intentionally ignoring me. Mason (talk) 20:24, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- Yes (to the first sentence), but we are not going to merge them because one is by nationality and one is by religion. Although for several centuries it would be factually correct to make Irish a subcat of Christian, that would be inconsistent with other parts of the hierarchies, and it would get messy to use that kind of parenting only where it fits. Even if there are some comparable precedents the other way, IMHO it's better to leave these as they are, i.e. siblings. Cf. the national Priests categories which we disambiguated by religion at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_February_3#Priests_by_nationality. Then, given that the nominated Abbots parents hold these pairs of subcats as opposed to single subcats, I would also keep those. – Fayenatic London 14:50, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with you. For all the reasons you've listed. I think that there's benefits for navigation, and just requires content expertise to navigate the categories. Mason (talk) 20:29, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
- Yes (to the first sentence), but we are not going to merge them because one is by nationality and one is by religion. Although for several centuries it would be factually correct to make Irish a subcat of Christian, that would be inconsistent with other parts of the hierarchies, and it would get messy to use that kind of parenting only where it fits. Even if there are some comparable precedents the other way, IMHO it's better to leave these as they are, i.e. siblings. Cf. the national Priests categories which we disambiguated by religion at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_February_3#Priests_by_nationality. Then, given that the nominated Abbots parents hold these pairs of subcats as opposed to single subcats, I would also keep those. – Fayenatic London 14:50, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
- I think that Marco's point is that everyone in the Irish abbot tree is also a Christian abbot. I'd already tried to discuss this issue, but they're intentionally ignoring me. Mason (talk) 20:24, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Merge, as suggested by NL?
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- Apart from Byzantine abbots there isn't anything specifically medieval about abbots. Should we then also create a separate category for medieval Christian abbots, and for medieval Irish abbots? I don't think so, the century categories seem to suffice. Having said that, I have not nominated Category:Medieval abbots and it's probably too late to add this now. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:10, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:Pages using the JsonConfig extension
[edit]- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was: delete. It is WP:SNOWing and because the category will continue to grow over the course of the week – making cleanup take longer – I am ending this one prematurely. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:51, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Pointless tracking category - will eventually include literally every
articlepage with a citation. To implement this deletion, create MediaWIki:Jsonconfig-use-category with the text-
. * Pppery * it has begun... 19:20, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete and implement deletion. A really unnecessary tracking category: all articles with at least 1 citation go there – we already have a template (and a category as well) for those with no citations. Also, not only articles are affected: "Pages using the JsonConfig extension" also has a subcategory called New York City Subway station articles with outdated ridership data and many templates and talk pages. Alfa-ketosav (talk) 20:23, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Alfa-ketosav. Achmad Rachmani (talk) 22:48, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per above. I recently saw this pop up on multiple article talk pages and noticed it also appeared in some files. I do not see the use of such a broad tracker. Trailblazer101 (talk) 06:34, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete not useful. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 11:20, 25 October 2024 (UTC).
- Note: This is happening everywhere by the look of it. I've been making the category hidden on other wikis, but maybe it needs WMF attention (if that's not an oxymoron). All the best: Rich Farmbrough 18:32, 26 October 2024 (UTC).
- Note: This is happening everywhere by the look of it. I've been making the category hidden on other wikis, but maybe it needs WMF attention (if that's not an oxymoron). All the best: Rich Farmbrough 18:32, 26 October 2024 (UTC).
- Comment is that why recent changes has been looking bonkers since yesterday? ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · contribs · email) 06:51, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Not sure what this would have to do with recent changes - normally implicit category additions don't show there. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:37, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- That's why I thought this was weird, I have checked the "Hide categorization of pages" preferences. I'll try resetting my RC settings to default. ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · contribs · email) 00:06, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Not sure what this would have to do with recent changes - normally implicit category additions don't show there. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:37, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete According to {{Tracking category}}, the purpose of this category is to "[..] track, build and organize lists of pages needing "attention en masse" (for example, pages using deprecated syntax), or that may need to be edited at someone's earliest convenience." This category is not collecting anything actionable (unless we want to delete all of the citations on Wikipedia[sarcasm]) so its usefulness is very limited. ~ Matthewrb Talk to me · Changes I've made 17:23, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, or rename to Category:Pages with citations.[Joke] Charlotte (Queen of Hearts • talk) 19:43, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Society of Ukrainian Progressors members
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Emptied: no refs. No such society. Mistranslation? --Altenmann >talk 21:41, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment This is an empty category, it doesn't need a discussion. Next time, consider tagging it CSD C1. Liz Read! Talk! 23:35, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- Next time, consider not emptying the category beforehand. Discussion can be useful when you know which articles were in there. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:36, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Altenmann, I'm going to say it more bluntly. Please don't empty categories like this. We can't tell if there's a mistranslation or if the category has sources in another language, if we don't know who was in it. Mason (talk) 22:34, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- I support the comments of Marcocapelle and Mason. For the record, the six biographies removed out-of-process by Altenmann are here: [3].
Maybe the last word should be "progressionists" like [4].– Fayenatic London 10:39, 11 October 2024 (UTC)- What's this "out-of-process" nonsense? The removed categories in bios were not supported by sources. Aren't we forgetting our most fundamental rule? --Altenmann >talk 16:23, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- You really need to consider the feedback you're getting here. "The removed categories in bios were not supported by sources." That's the problem. You removed them so how do you expect the CFD to go? I've rolled back the removal so other people can actually evaluate the category contents. Mason (talk) 20:16, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- "how do you expect the CFD to go?" - easily. Check in Wikipedia or in the internets whether such society exists or existed. --Altenmann >talk 20:38, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- Your reversal is a blatant violation of Wikipedia rules: WP:AGF and WP:V unreferenced information can be deleted at any time. Here are the bios in question, if someone questions my senses:
- You really need to consider the feedback you're getting here. "The removed categories in bios were not supported by sources." That's the problem. You removed them so how do you expect the CFD to go? I've rolled back the removal so other people can actually evaluate the category contents. Mason (talk) 20:16, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- What's this "out-of-process" nonsense? The removed categories in bios were not supported by sources. Aren't we forgetting our most fundamental rule? --Altenmann >talk 16:23, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
13:16 Smasongarrison talk contribs (Dmytro Doroshenko added to category, this page is included within other pages) diffhist
13:16 Smasongarrison talk contribs (Mykhailo Hrushevsky added to category, this page is included within other pages) diffhist 13:16 Smasongarrison talk contribs (Mykola Vasylenko added to category, this page is included within other pages) diffhist 13:16 Smasongarrison talk contribs (Symon Petliura added to category, this page is included within other pages) diffhist 13:16 Smasongarrison talk contribs (Serhiy Yefremov added to category, this page is included within other pages) diffhist 13:16 Smasongarrison talk contribs (Volodymyr Vynnychenko added to category, this page is included within other pages) diffhist
- Meanwhile I am restoring my deletions done in total agreement with Wikipedia rules. --Altenmann >talk 20:32, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- I don't understand why you even brought this up for CFD if you are just going to make it difficult for wikipedians to temporarily evaluate the category. I've reverted the change and ask that you be patient. You're the one who made the nomination. Mason (talk) 00:17, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
- Meanwhile I am restoring my deletions done in total agreement with Wikipedia rules. --Altenmann >talk 20:32, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- The last word should be "Progressives", see User_talk:Aleksandr_Grigoryev#Category:Society_of_Ukrainian_Progressors_members. But in the same discussion, the category's creator accepts deletion. – Fayenatic London 11:05, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- That's helpful to know. From that conversation it seems like merge to Category:Ukrainian_Democratic_Party_(1904)_politicians is a viable solution. Mason (talk) 00:19, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
- No; these are not the same establishments. YOu cannot categorize unless the articles say so that they are, i.e., you cannot do an automatic merge. --Altenmann >talk 03:10, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
- That's helpful to know. From that conversation it seems like merge to Category:Ukrainian_Democratic_Party_(1904)_politicians is a viable solution. Mason (talk) 00:19, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Now that the premature emptying issue is resolved, do people support a merge to Category:Ukrainian Democratic Party (1904) politicians (as suggested by Mason)?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:10, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
- It is not clear to me whether these two organizations were interconnected or synonomous. By all means add articles to Category:Ukrainian Democratic Party (1904) politicians insofar they mention membership of that party. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:13, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I am not seeing anyone who supports the category's continued existence, so discussion on whether it should be deleted or merged is needed.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 19:00, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Rename? Appears to be Товариство_українських_поступовців for which we don't have an article, although we have the inaccurate(?) redirect: Society of Ukrainian Progressionists. I would suggest "Progressives" as the term, [as Feynetic says above] but perhaps we could get advice from someone with strong Ukrainian skills. Also it would be nice to have at least a stub article. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 18:55, 26 October 2024 (UTC).
Category:Second ladies and gentlemen of the Philippines
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: WP:NEOLOGISM, Second Ladies are not a thing in Philippine politics. We are not like the United States which uses such term. Second Ladies/Gentlemen at best are just a synonym for the Vice President's spouse, unlike the First Lady/Gentlemen who actually serves a role for being the host at the Malacanang Palace and is distinct from the Spouse of the President of the Philippines Hariboneagle927 (talk) 02:24, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Unfortunately, this category has been emptied by the nominator, Hariboneagle927. Liz Read! Talk! 06:14, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- For full disclosure, there were four entries under it Mans Carpio, Elenita Binay, Celia Díaz Laurel, and Loi Ejercito Hariboneagle927 (talk) 06:21, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. This category is spouses of the vice president, that's a defining feature regardless of whether the role is official. Please don't remove pages from categories like this. I've reverted you removals. Mason (talk) 13:08, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment this is plain neologism. You would be hard pressed to see consistent/sustained usage of the term "Second Lady/Gentleman" by Philippine national broadsheets or government agencies. First Lady and Gentlemen are likewise not a formalized institution but unlike Second Lady, the term (Second Lady) is not used by the media or the government.
- The argument is "Second Ladies" as a role does not exist in the Philippine context. Sure the category could be renamed as Category:Spouses of vice presidents of the Philippines to accurately portray its member pages. We do not created fictitious roles and present it as fact, regardless if official or not. Hariboneagle927 (talk) 04:44, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- To re-emphasis the role of First Lady and Second Lady is distinct from the President's and the Vice president spouses. Hariboneagle927 (talk) 04:51, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- I'd be fine with renaming to Category:Spouses of vice presidents of the Philippines. Mason (talk) 20:35, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
- To re-emphasis the role of First Lady and Second Lady is distinct from the President's and the Vice president spouses. Hariboneagle927 (talk) 04:51, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. This category is spouses of the vice president, that's a defining feature regardless of whether the role is official. Please don't remove pages from categories like this. I've reverted you removals. Mason (talk) 13:08, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- For full disclosure, there were four entries under it Mans Carpio, Elenita Binay, Celia Díaz Laurel, and Loi Ejercito Hariboneagle927 (talk) 06:21, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- Local circumstances, both with respect to the question whether it is a defining characteristic, as well as with respect to the name of the category, should play an important role in the discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:44, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- Two of the four entries are notable for being elected politicians, one is a theater actress and Mans Carpio is noted for being involved in a smuggling scandal and his membership in the wider Duterte family who had Rodrigo Duterte, his father-in-law. None of the given citation asserts they held the role of "second lady/gentleman". Again we are talking about the fictitious role. I understand in some context such as the US context its synonymous to the vice president's spouse.Hariboneagle927 (talk) 04:56, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- I do not know anything about Philippine politics myself but I think your arguments are good and this should only be opposed if spouse of vice president is a defining characteristic in the Philippines after all. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:51, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- Two of the four entries are notable for being elected politicians, one is a theater actress and Mans Carpio is noted for being involved in a smuggling scandal and his membership in the wider Duterte family who had Rodrigo Duterte, his father-in-law. None of the given citation asserts they held the role of "second lady/gentleman". Again we are talking about the fictitious role. I understand in some context such as the US context its synonymous to the vice president's spouse.Hariboneagle927 (talk) 04:56, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: More participation needed to form consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:30, 16 October 2024 (UTC)- To further emphasize, there is no such role as "second lady" in the Philippine context, so the question whether it is a defining characteristics for its member articles is moot. Being a spouse is a different thing and if the intent of the article is to cover vice president spouses then a rename should be in order.. Hariboneagle927 (talk) 01:44, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:Events at Yankee Stadium
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCVENUE, we do not categorize events by the venues they were held at. Bearcat (talk) 14:08, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: OCVENUE is not policy; we are not bound by it. Also, bad nom to only nominate this and none of the other venue categories pbp 15:02, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep WP:OCVENUE makes an exception for "how a specific facility is regularly used" and the contents here are dominated by the New York Yankees and New York Giants (i.e. how it's regularly used) so the location seems defining. (It's not clear to me that there is a still a consensus for WP:OCVENUE generally but that's not really important here.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 17:49, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. I see no reason Yankee Stadium should be the exception. Mason (talk) 21:07, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
- It's not the exception; there are several other venues with categories. pbp 01:49, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- The rest can be nominated. Mason (talk) 02:14, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- It's not the exception; there are several other venues with categories. pbp 01:49, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. I see no reason Yankee Stadium should be the exception. Mason (talk) 21:07, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
- WP:OCVENUE does make a distinction between specific events and regular use. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:38, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per Bearcat. Moreover, a season is not an event and all of the season articles should be removed, regardless of the result of this discussion.--User:Namiba 18:17, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- Disagree. Those should remain. A season is a collection of events/games pbp 18:46, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- Your definition of a sports season as a singular event is contrary to widely established consensus on Wikipedia. A season includes far more than just "a collection of events/games." It involves obtaining players and much more. Moreover, the games themselves did not occur solely in one place. They occurred in dozens of stadiums.--User:Namiba 18:59, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- The Yankees' home games occurred in Yankee Stadium, so I don't see what the problem is. You make it as though NONE of a Yankees' season occurred in Yankee Stadium, which is incredibly ridiculous. And I don't care what consensus is, consensus can change. I don't have to goose-step to it pbp 12:10, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Your definition of a sports season as a singular event is contrary to widely established consensus on Wikipedia. A season includes far more than just "a collection of events/games." It involves obtaining players and much more. Moreover, the games themselves did not occur solely in one place. They occurred in dozens of stadiums.--User:Namiba 18:59, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- Disagree. Those should remain. A season is a collection of events/games pbp 18:46, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Bearcat and Mason. No one has presented a cogent argument why Yankee Stadium should be an exception from WP:OCVENUE. It's a stadium in NYC where NYC baseball teams have routinely hosted games. What's exceptional about that? Additionally, I agree with Namiba that's it's nonsensical to categorize an MLB team's season as if it took place entirely in one venue. Carguychris (talk) 19:19, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as with recent CfD's on event-by-venue categories: 1 & 2. It's a perfectly good defining characteristic. The cited clause of OCVENUE has no rational basis. Agree with removing the season articles though, per Namiba's comment that a season is not an event. Toohool (talk) 20:09, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Without the seasons, there are very few events in this category.--User:Namiba 20:54, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Added more articles to the category. Toohool (talk) 22:50, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- The stated reason for discouraging categorizing events by venue is that the categories would become too large, per WP:OCVENUE. I'm unclear if the second paragraph of the editing guideline still has community consensus but, even amongst those that support the concept, I don't think category size is the the real concern. RevelationDirect (talk) 11:14, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Without the seasons, there are very few events in this category.--User:Namiba 20:54, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep As per Purplebackpack89 and RevelationDirect. Boxing matches are categorized by venue and I see no reason why a general category should also exist. Sam11333 (talk) 08:11, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Note this category confuses two different stadiums, both of which are named Yankee Stadium. Most of the events in this category occurred in Yankee Stadium (1923), not the present stadium.--User:Namiba 13:30, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- If kept, a category split certainly make sense. RevelationDirect (talk) 17:55, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- To be fair other venues have been rebuilt but have just one category for events. MGS and Wembley Stadium to name just two. Sam11333 (talk) 21:44, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not a valid reason to keep a category.--User:Namiba 17:44, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- To be fair other venues have been rebuilt but have just one category for events. MGS and Wembley Stadium to name just two. Sam11333 (talk) 21:44, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- If kept, a category split certainly make sense. RevelationDirect (talk) 17:55, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Note this category confuses two different stadiums, both of which are named Yankee Stadium. Most of the events in this category occurred in Yankee Stadium (1923), not the present stadium.--User:Namiba 13:30, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: No consensus to delete the category, but if kept should it be purged of season categories?
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- Purge seasons articles and subcategories, they are not about the venue. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:17, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Can the editors who support keeping this category explain how it helps navigation? Why not merge into Category:Sports competitions in the Bronx?--User:Namiba 17:51, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- It helps readers navigate between events that have been held at Yankee Stadium. Rlendog (talk) 19:26, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per RevelationDirect. Rlendog (talk) 19:26, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Geography of the Republic of Hawaii
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Not useful for navigation, and its current entries don't actually belong in the category, since they're about the current state of Hawaii. If we had articles particularly focusing on the Republic of Hawaii's geography (such as its administrative subdivisions) this might be useful... but we don't. Elli (talk | contribs) 16:43, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:26, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. The two members appear to be the only pages added by the category creator, who is not currently active. – Fayenatic London 15:12, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Sherbrooke teams
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Sherbrooke Canadiens to Category:Ice hockey teams in Sherbrooke
- Propose merging Category:Sherbrooke Jets to Category:Ice hockey teams in Sherbrooke
- Nominator's rationale: Small categories (just the article and a subcategory for players) which hinder navigation. Both are already in Category:Defunct ice hockey teams in Quebec. If anyone feels like doing a mass nomination, the vast majority of sub-categories here could probably be merged as well.--User:Namiba 15:13, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. This is a well thought out category structure: player categories go in team categories, which go in locational team supercategories. I would suggest creating Category:Ice hockey teams in Sherbrooke to contain these but not deleting them.--Mike Selinker (talk) 16:05, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Per WP:EPON "Eponymous categories should not be created unless enough directly related articles or subcategories exist." There are not and will never be enough directly related articles for these defunct minor league teams to justify their existence.--User:Namiba 16:55, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Selectively merge (move the subcategories directly to Category:Ice hockey in Sherbrooke), the players subcategories suffice. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:29, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:21st-century diplomatic conferences (Afghanistan)
[edit]- Category:21st-century diplomatic conferences (Asia-Pacific) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:21st-century diplomatic conferences (Africa) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:21st-century diplomatic conferences (Americas) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:21st-century diplomatic conferences (BRICS) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:21st-century diplomatic conferences (Commonwealth) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:21st-century diplomatic conferences (Global) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:21st-century diplomatic conferences (Europe) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:21st-century diplomatic conferences (MENA) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:21st-century diplomatic conferences (Security) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:21st-century diplomatic conferences (NATO) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:21st-century diplomatic conferences (UN) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Nominating these subcats of the main 21st-century diplomatic conferences category. These subcats are WP:Overcat or in this case over subcat as each one of these subcats don't do much in terms of organizing these articles in a proper order nor are accurate.
For instance, the Afghanistan subcat deals in regard to the War in Afghanistan from 2001 to 2021. But the G7 articles under the Global subcat also dealt with Afghanistan including other conflicts. The G7 summit in 2013 for instance dealt with the war in Syria as one of the agenda items. So if there was a subcat with (Syria) in the title, it would go in there as well by this logic of the now-banned creator. But it too would go in the Global category. So, it would be too many categories for each summit that overlap on issues they deal with.
If there are going to subcats for the main category, it should be probably be something like "Category:2024 diplomatic conferences" as by year would help reduce the overflow of articles in one category. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 14:41, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- If not kept, at least merge to Category:21st-century diplomatic conferences. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:48, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Brunel University London
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:Brunel University London to Category:Brunel University of London
- Nominator's rationale: The university has changed name after joining the University of London, see Brunel University of London. Elshad (talk) 09:26, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Does this need a full nomination? Surely it could have been done at Speedy with the whole category tree. There's umpteen precedent for renaming categories when an institutuion's name changes. Timrollpickering (talk) 10:11, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy per C2D. Thryduulf (talk) 13:43, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support but this is not eligible for Speedy, as it has not changed its name but only added a trading name.[5] – Fayenatic London 15:01, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:History of Landskrona by topic
[edit]- Propose merging Category:History of Landskrona by topic to Category:History of Landskrona
- Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only four subcategories, and after the merge the target will only have 6 entries. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:14, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support: fair enough, no other cities in Category:Histories of cities in Sweden have one of these, and it's too thin to be a valuable part of Category:History by city and topic. – Fayenatic London 14:53, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Centuries in Landskrona
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Centuries in Landskrona to Category:History of Landskrona
- Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only two subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:12, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support: Fair enough. There used to be others but they were merged per Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_12#Centuries_in_Landskrona. This nomination would remove Landskrona from Category:History of the Øresund Region by period, but that's OK, it will still be within Category:History of the Øresund Region. – Fayenatic London 14:47, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Pacific Ocean theatre of World War II
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Main article uses this spelling variant. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:09, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support per WP:C2D. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:57, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment the countries most obvious in this area are english variant spelling locations (it wasnt simply the US presence that were components of the action) suggest that both the article and category are given the credit of the non-us spelling JarrahTree 05:50, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment as the inconsistency across categories exist, please note that I have posted directly about this to the Australian noticeboard https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Australian_Wikipedians%27_notice_board#Usually_under_the_radar JarrahTree 06:13, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- OK but redirect. – Fayenatic London 14:57, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
October 23
[edit]Category:Political parties of minorities in China
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SUBJECTIVECAT. The category description is vaguely worded (simply "minorities") and is left to the interpretation of editors. The immediate policy-based issue is WP:CATV; the creator of the category has been adding it to articles seemingly based on their own interpretations of the category they created. No additional sources or context has ever been provided by them.The problem with verifiability becomes particularly troublesome when the creator's definition of "minority" seems to be far from any reliable sources'. For example, the category's creator has been adding it to several Hong Kong and Macau articles without further explanation, but both SARs / cities have Han Chinese minorities. While Cantonese speakers are a minority in the whole of China, they are not in those SARS / cities, and so their political parties, exclusive to the SARs' boundaries and not present in the rest of China, are not representative of "minorities in China".There are also foreign organisations in the category that do not have any activities in China but claim to represent a minority in China, as well as organisations that have not been called political parties by the sources given.I believe the creator's intention was to group political organisations of ethnic, cultural, religious or linguistic minorities in China together in one category, but due to 1. The vague wording and 2. Self-coinage, it has been open up to various interpretations that do not align with existing sources, including the creator's.Similar categories made should be specific to the minority, e.g. "Tibetan political parties [in China]". However, this poorly scoped out category should not be kept. Yue🌙 22:59, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment This is part of a broader category tree, Category:Political parties of minorities by country. Not sure if these concerns extend to other categories in the tree. AusLondonder (talk) 23:54, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Procedural oppose, this should be discussed in conjunction with the sibling categories. The most relevant article is Ethnic party so I can imagine we rename the whole category tree after that. Meanwhile, any organizations that aren't political parties can be purged from Category:Political parties of minorities in China. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:13, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah I think some of the subjects are inappropriately categorised in this tree, for example Australian Equality Party is in the category because they advocated for same-sex marriage and gay rights while Gaza List was in the Austrian category. Savoy Region Movement is in the French category because it's a regionalist party. In the UK category we have Labour Muslim Network which isn't a political party and Bahrain Freedom Movement which again isn't a political party but an exile organisation. AusLondonder (talk) 05:35, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. As per Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Politics#"political_parties_of_minorities", some kind of discussion/agreement/consensus on the application of these categories is required. As, despite the WikiProject thread (and multiple concerns raised by multiple contributors with the creating editor at User talk:Gorgonopsi), the editor keeps creating these categories. And populating them with members that do not meet either WP:CATV or the apparent WP:CATDESC for what constitutes a "minority". (Not every regionalist group, secessionist group or other special interest group is automatically a "minority". Women in the UK are not a "minority". Neither are pensioners in Scotland. Or Italian-American fascists. Or people from the North of England. Or Bavarian autonomists/secessionists. Or religious people in Switzerland. Following the creating editor's apparent logic, just about any group could be considered a "minority".) If the outcome of this CfD discussion is to define clearer WP:CATV and WP:CATDESC guidelines for the broader category tree (Category:Political parties of minorities by country), then that would be great. In the meantime I really wish that the creating editor (who now been queried about their criteria/logic multiple times and by multiple editors) would rely on actual verifiable references (and not personal opinion) before classifing random conservative/right-wing/regionalist groups as parties of minorities. Guliolopez (talk) 11:26, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- It appears the creator's logic is that any small political party is also a "party of a minority". AusLondonder (talk) 11:58, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- While that may be so, deletion of the category/-ies is a too extreme remedy. Renaming, purging and limiting their scope are better options. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:46, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- It appears the creator's logic is that any small political party is also a "party of a minority". AusLondonder (talk) 11:58, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:People from Lubāna
[edit]- Propose merging Category:People from Lubāna to Category:People from Madona Municipality
- Nominator's rationale: merge, only one article, this is not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:01, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge as proposed. Gjs238 (talk) 11:28, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, already listed in town article. – Fayenatic London 11:43, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge Per nom. AusLondonder (talk) 18:37, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:People from Durbe
[edit]- Propose merging Category:People from Durbe to Category:People from South Kurzeme Municipality
- Nominator's rationale: merge, only one article, this is not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:59, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge as proposed. Gjs238 (talk) 11:28, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, already listed in town article. – Fayenatic London 11:43, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:People from Brocēni
[edit]- Propose merging Category:People from Brocēni to Category:People from Saldus Municipality
- Nominator's rationale: merge, only one article, this is not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:58, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge as proposed. Gjs238 (talk) 11:28, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, now listed in town article. Et tu, Brute? – Fayenatic London 11:42, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:People from Ape, Latvia
[edit]- Propose merging Category:People from Ape, Latvia to Category:People from Smiltene Municipality
- Nominator's rationale: merge, only one article, this is not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:56, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge as proposed. Gjs238 (talk) 11:28, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, already listed in town article. – Fayenatic London 11:39, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:De Nora
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: WP:OVERCAT Only an eponymous article and the founder. Gjs238 (talk) 00:14, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, the two articles are already directly interlinked. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:59, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support, the Commons category is also linked to and from the article. – Fayenatic London 11:37, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
October 22
[edit]Category:English-language news websites without paywall
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Whether a news outlet is behind a paywall or not is WP:NONDEFINING. Paywalls can be region-locked, can allow X number of articles before the gate shuts, and so on. It is too arbitrary and capricious to be used in this way. Zaathras (talk) 21:42, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete And having a payewall is more defining than not having one. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:37, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, per both above. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:00, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- A number of child categories have been created. I'd also note the category currently completely ignores Canada and India, amongst others. AusLondonder (talk) 11:47, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- I will add the subcategories below. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:37, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Propose deleting Category:American news websites without paywall (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Australian news websites without paywall (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:British news websites without paywall (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Delete cat and subcats per nom – ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · contribs · email) 12:28, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Baseball pitching
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:Baseball pitching to Category:Pitching (baseball)
- Nominator's rationale: rename per WP:C2C; opposed at speedy a reason I didn't really understand. matches sister category Category:Batting (baseball). Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:57, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- I understand the opposition at speedy, there is only one category in this form so far, namely Category:Batting (baseball), so it is not an established convention. But I do not have an opinion on the rename. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:07, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, there are a few more with the "(baseball)" dab like this but I understand the objection now. Thanks. Omnis Scientia (talk) 04:16, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Professional wrestling games
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:Professional wrestling games to Category:Professional wrestling video games
- Nominator's rationale: This current name is too vague because this category doesn't seem to contain any other type of game. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 20:29, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Did you check all 137 articles? If the answer is yes then by all means rename. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:10, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Rename or split It doesn't matter. If there are articles on things other than video games, go ahead with a new category for those. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:27, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Use of simply "games" is common when there isn't much else that would potentially fit, such as Category:Indie games. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:22, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Decline your Oppose as I you should have instead said something about non-electronic games in this category, like if there are any
- QuantumFoam66 (talk) 02:13, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Counter-Earths
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:Counter-Earths to Category:Works set on Counter-Earths
- Nominator's rationale: Rename due to none of the articles actually being about a fictional Counter-Earth and only consisting of fictional works. Should become a subcategory of Category:Works by setting with most others removed. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 19:36, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- This would be appropriate for most of the entries, which are titles of fictional works, but the main article, Counter-Earth, refers to the hypothetical body, while Gor and Paira (planet) refer to fictional versions of that body. Instead of a category, perhaps it would be better to list these works in a special section of the article Counter-Earth. This would be analogous to Fifth planet (hypothetical)#Fifth planet in fiction and Claimed moons of Earth#Literature. Goustien (talk) 04:49, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Alt merge to Category:Works set on fictional planets, most of the articles aren't clearly set on the Counter-Earth. Note that Counter-Earth can only be singular, not plural. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:21, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- I would support that too. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 23:13, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:10000000 (number)
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Only page is a redirect, individual category seems useless Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 16:29, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:42, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Not a useful category. Cremastra (u — c) 01:10, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. The article 10,000,000 was also originally included by the category creator Matthiaspaul, but even with that restored it would not be useful for navigation. – Fayenatic London 14:32, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Category has been emptied. Liz Read! Talk! 19:10, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:First Timers bands
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: WP:OCVENUE. We do not categorize bands for each individual festival or venue they may have played at, and First Timers is not such a highly meganotable special case as to warrant a special exception over and above other festivals. Bearcat (talk) 15:38, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Its function is different to most festivals though, as each band is playing for the first time there, so if they then become notable enough their having started out there is more distinct than a band playing at another festival at some point in their career. There are plenty of categories on here for bands who have released on specific record labels, and I see this as more in line with that. Lewishhh (talk) 15:46, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Agriculture in Saint Kitts and Nevis
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Category contains only a redirect and an article about a historic cotton and sugar plantation that closed in the 1970s. Not helpful for navigation. AusLondonder (talk) 12:54, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:47, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Alt partial merge to different parents: the redirect Agriculture in Saint Kitts and Nevis should be moved up to the other four parents Category:Agriculture by country, Category:Agriculture in North America by country, Category:Agriculture in the Caribbean and Category:Food and drink in Saint Kitts and Nevis. Contrary to the nomination it does not need to go into Category:Economy of Saint Kitts and Nevis as it redirects to a section in the main article of that category. – Fayenatic London 14:46, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Fair enough for the redirect. I was just looking at article Spooner's Estate, which should still go to Category:Economy of Saint Kitts and Nevis. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:31, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- I considered that; IMHO there is only a weak connection between a former plantation and the topic of economy, but I won't object if you think it's a worthwhile aid to navigation. – Fayenatic London 11:35, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- If we're talking about categorisation of a single page, wouldn't it be easier to simply add the categories directly instead of an "Alt partial merge to different parents"? Obviously with a nomination for merging this specific category it didn't make sense to propose a merge of a category containing a former plantation to the four categories you've identified. AusLondonder (talk) 13:15, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Where different members should go into different parents, please ask for "manual merge" or "partial merge", either with details or "to parents as appropriate". Your nomination would have put both pages into one target and this could easily have been passed to a bot to process, overlooking the loss of valid members from the other parent hierarchies. – Fayenatic London 15:24, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- If we're talking about categorisation of a single page, wouldn't it be easier to simply add the categories directly instead of an "Alt partial merge to different parents"? Obviously with a nomination for merging this specific category it didn't make sense to propose a merge of a category containing a former plantation to the four categories you've identified. AusLondonder (talk) 13:15, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Fair enough for the redirect. I was just looking at article Spooner's Estate, which should still go to Category:Economy of Saint Kitts and Nevis. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:31, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Female models from Allentown, Pennsylvania
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Category with two entries, over-categorisation by occupation and location. Merge to relevant parents. AusLondonder (talk) 11:31, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Single merge to Category:Female models from Pennsylvania because the articles are already in Category:Actresses from Allentown, Pennsylvania. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:46, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:People from Isiro
[edit]- Propose merging Category:People from Isiro to Category:People from Haut-Uélé
- Nominator's rationale: Category containing a single article, unhelpful for navigation. AusLondonder (talk) 11:16, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:48, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, already listed in place article. – Fayenatic London 14:47, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:People from Ivangorod
[edit]- Propose merging Category:People from Ivangorod to Category:People from Kingiseppsky District
- Nominator's rationale: Category containing a single article, unhelpful for navigation. AusLondonder (talk) 11:10, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:49, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Alt merge to Category:People from Narva. The article was partly corrected by Kaliforniyka (talk · contribs) in 2015,[6] but the incorrect category has remained until now. – Fayenatic London 11:32, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:People from Volosovo
[edit]- Propose merging Category:People from Volosovo to Category:People from Volosovsky District
- Nominator's rationale: Category containing a single article, unhelpful for navigation. AusLondonder (talk) 11:09, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:49, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, now listed in Volosovo, Volosovsky District, Leningrad Oblast. – Fayenatic London 21:56, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Rescue of Roma during the Romani genocide
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: merge, one article each, this is not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:31, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment (creator). I hoped this would be populated by others since its creation, but no luck :( I agree this is currently underpopulated and there are no interwikis. I don't know any editor who is interested in and knowledgeable about this to populate this or comment on potential on this except User:Buidhe, perhaps. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:56, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Romani history by country
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Redundant category layer Mason (talk) 03:05, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:35, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Target updated after speedy rename. – Fayenatic London 09:28, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Pacific theatre of World War II US people
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: parent is American people of World War II, and norm is not "US people" Mason (talk) 02:51, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Rename, also for better understandability. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:36, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support. US people is pretty ugly... let's get rid of it whenever we can. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:57, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Rename to Category:American people of the Pacific theatre of World War II — note the necessary article. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:10, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Right, the word "the" is lacking in the proposed target. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:24, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:East Toowoomba, Queensland
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:East Toowoomba, Queensland to Category:East Toowoomba
- Nominator's rationale: To match renamed article East Toowoomba. AusLondonder (talk) 01:10, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- This could be speedied. Mason (talk) 02:51, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- No as the article was renamed without a RM, it would likely have been opposed at CFDS. AusLondonder (talk) 08:44, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- This could be speedied. Mason (talk) 02:51, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Rename, this seems to be unambiguous. It could not have been speedied, the article was just moved without discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:39, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Suburbs of Maryborough
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Suburbs of Maryborough to Category:Maryborough, Queensland
- Nominator's rationale: Category containing only one article, would be better categorised within parent Category:Maryborough, Queensland. AusLondonder (talk) 00:55, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:40, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Gaza envelope
[edit]- propose renaming: Category:Gaza envelope to Category:Gaza Strip envelope
- Nominator's rationale: More accurate and similar to the main article for the category. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cactinites (talk • contribs)
- Keep, I have reverted the page to Gaza envelope per citation from The Times of Israel. – Fayenatic London 21:50, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
October 21
[edit]Category:Pitcairn Islands people convicted of rape
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: I think we should broaden this category because there's no parent category Pitcairn Islands criminals, and I think that creating a parent category right now would just be redudant Mason (talk) 01:04, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- I think the category is legitimate, although there are questions about what categories it should be under. I now think it shouldn't be under "British people convicted of rape" because people from the British Overseas Territories aren't classified as British people on Wikipedia, there are various categories relating to these territories. PatGallacher (talk) 13:52, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to Category:Pitcairn Islands criminals and Category:Sex offenders from British Overseas Territories. Pitcairn Islands the least populous territory in the world, with only 35 people as of the latest census. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:53, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep The islands have/had a particular issue with sexual offences, with three in it now all senior administrators. So set up Category:Pitcairn Islands criminals, or leave it as itis. Johnbod (talk) 03:34, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Bantu
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:Bantu to Category:?
- Nominator's rationale: Bantu does not have a primary topic so a better title for this category should be used. Maybe Bantu (culture)? Open to suggestions. Gonnym (talk) 13:57, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- Downmerge to Category:Bantu peoples, everything Bantu must refer to these peoples. But add a special sort key to the articles and subcategories so that they will appear on top, before all individual peoples. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:45, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Thanks for the ping. Yeah, I'm fine with that suggestion. Gonnym (talk) 08:15, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Free compilers and interpreters
[edit]- Propose deleting Category:Compilers and interpreters
- Propose splitting Category:Free compilers and interpreters to Category:Free and open source compilers and Category:Free and open source interpreters
- Nominator's rationale: Category:Compilers and interpreters is basically a hybrid of Category:Compilers and Category:Interpreters (computing). The overwhelming majority of articles only fit in one category, and the few that don't can be in both categories. Category:Free compilers and interpreters should be split into two new categories for the same reason. I also propose adding "open source" to the names of the new categories, since that's what the current category is being used for, and just "free" is vague. Zerbu 💬 13:09, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- Question: with this proposal, what should happen with the six articles that are currently in Category:Compilers and interpreters? Marcocapelle (talk) 15:53, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- They'd probably go into one of the parent categories, Category:Compilers or Category:Interpreters (computing). Although, judging by a quick skim through the articles, they appear to all be compilers with no mention of any interpreters, so I don't know how it's supposed to be different from Category:Compilers. Zerbu 💬 17:03, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you, so that will be a merge instead of deletion. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:50, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- They'd probably go into one of the parent categories, Category:Compilers or Category:Interpreters (computing). Although, judging by a quick skim through the articles, they appear to all be compilers with no mention of any interpreters, so I don't know how it's supposed to be different from Category:Compilers. Zerbu 💬 17:03, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- Split Category:Free compilers and interpreters per nom, or else rename to Category:Free programming language implementations or similar. I think Category:Foos and Bars titles should be avoided whenever possible. They lead to issues like this one:Why is Category:Compilers and interpreters a subcategory of Category:Compilers and of Category:Interpreters (computing)? That's completely backwards! Its handful of direct members are already in the appropriate subcategories of Category:Programming tools, and we're splitting its sole subcategory; I don't see any reason to merge instead of delete. jlwoodwa (talk) 16:44, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
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- I guess we all agree that the categories are redundant. The only question I had was about 6 left-over articles, they apparently need to be moved to compilers. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:09, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Joseon scholar-officials
[edit]- Propose splitting Category:Joseon scholar-officials to Category:Joseon scholars and Category:Joseon government officials
- Nominator's rationale: I think we should split this category, as a non-defining intersection. There's no parent scholar-officials Mason (talk) 02:44, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment, there is also an article Scholar-official. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:27, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
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- I am going to oppose on the basis of WP:OVERLAPCAT, this proposal will result in two categories with almost the same content. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:47, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. These people aren't 'officials', and they aren't 'scholars'. They are the ruling people, a social cast mostly hereditary, using the examination system as a "just cause" for their power. The compound word "scholar-officials" is the usual scholarly denomination for these people. Pldx1 (talk) 21:31, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Shanghai Nobel laureates
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Shanghai Nobel laureates to Category:Chinese Nobel laureates
- Nominator's rationale: Non-defining intersection between city and award. Similar situation occurred with Category:Nobel laureates affiliated with Missouri Mason (talk) 23:21, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:48, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Category:Washington Redskins currentteam parameter articles
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Superseded by Category:Washington Commanders currentteam parameter articles, the current name of the team. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 16:24, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as redirect. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:24, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete This is an obscure backend tracking category - the chance of people being helped by a redirect is practically nil. * Pppery * it has begun... 03:50, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Not useful as a redirect and no player's currentteam should ever list Washington Redskins. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:54, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Category:Washington Football Team currentteam parameter articles
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Superseded by Category:Washington Commanders currentteam parameter articles, the current name of the team. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 16:24, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as a redirect. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:24, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- There should never be any further use of this since the team was renamed. There are no other categories for old NFL team names either. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 23:50, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as a redirect. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:24, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Amirov brothers
[edit]- Propose deleting Category:Amirov brothers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Shevchenko sisters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) (added 17 Oct)
- Propose deleting Category:Peruvian sports families (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Kyrgyzstani sports families (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Kyrgyzstani families (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Amirov brothers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: I don't see the point of such a small category for navigating between two people. The article on one brother points to the other brother, and vice versa. Geschichte (talk) 07:38, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:03, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete along with Category:Shevchenko sisters for identical reasons, along with their otherwise unnecessary parent categories (added to nomination today). – Fayenatic London 11:41, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
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Category:NCAA Division I men's basketball tournament Final Four venues
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCVENUE. This is a clear example of sorting a venue by an event it hosted. User:Namiba 22:59, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets basketball venues
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: A small category which does not help navigation. All articles are already in basketball venues category so a dual merge is not needed. User:Namiba 22:47, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:God in art
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:God in art to Category:God of Christianity in art
- Nominator's rationale: This category appears to be specific to the Christian god, but God is about the general concept, the article about the specific deity is at God in Christianity. Category:Christian god (or Category:Christian God?) might be better titles than my first suggestion, I'm not sure, but I do think specificity is needed. Other parts of the category tree might need to be looked at if consensus is to rename this one (e.g. it has parents Category:God in culture but Category:Gods in art). Thryduulf (talk) 22:15, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- I created the category for art of any religion's version of God, which fits into the category Category:God in culture. Currently, all the contents appear to be Christian. The question would be are there any artistic depections of God from other religions, such as Judaism? If there are, I don't see the point in narrowing the scope of this category, though the different religions could be separated into their own subcategories. Mclay1 (talk) 23:58, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support Category:Gods in art of course has large numbers of depictions of deities from other religions, with the Indian, Norse and Greco-Romans the most numerous. But oddly it doesn't include this category, as you say all Christian. Hand of God (art) is about as far as you get in Judaism. Johnbod (talk) 03:29, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Probably Buddhist art should be added to Category:Gods in art; we have lots of that too. Johnbod (talk) 04:22, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support, well summarized by Johnbod. Randy Kryn (talk) 03:38, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support Category:Gods in art of course has large numbers of depictions of deities from other religions, with the Indian, Norse and Greco-Romans the most numerous. But oddly it doesn't include this category, as you say all Christian. Hand of God (art) is about as far as you get in Judaism. Johnbod (talk) 03:29, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Film production companies of Turkmenistan
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Category containing only a single redirect. Serves no navigational purpose. AusLondonder (talk) 16:21, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:18, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - Very small category. Zakaria ښه راغلاست (talk) 19:23, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Groganville, Queensland
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Groganville, Queensland to Category:Shire of Mareeba
- Nominator's rationale: Category containing only a main article about a locality with no population and a mine. Better categorised in the parent. AusLondonder (talk) 15:18, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:19, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Areas of Boston, England
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:Areas of Boston, England to Category:Areas of Boston, Lincolnshire
- Nominator's rationale: Consistency with title of article on the town PamD 15:14, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom, see Boston, Lincolnshire. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:20, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Lists of people by honor or award
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: To match parent Category:Honour and main article. AusLondonder (talk) 14:46, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Ambassadors of the United Kingdom to Cape Verde
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Category containing a single article for someone who served as a non-resident ambassador. Pointless and unhelpful for navigation. AusLondonder (talk) 14:41, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, or possibly merge to Category:Ambassadors to Cape Verde. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:24, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to Category:Cape Verde–United Kingdom relations and Category:Ambassadors to Cape Verde.--User:Namiba 22:48, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:People from Wembley
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Academics from Wembley to Category:People from Wembley
- Propose merging Category:Musicians from Wembley to Category:People from Wembley and Category:Musicians from the London Borough of Brent
- Propose merging Category:Politicians from Wembley to Category:People from Wembley
- Propose merging Category:Scientists from Wembley to Category:People from Wembley
- Propose merging Category:Writers from Wembley to Category:People from Wembley and Category:Writers from the London Borough of Brent
- Nominator's rationale: Previous consensus at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 March 11#People from London by locality and occupation was that this sub-categorisation is unnecessary and unhelpful. See also WP:OCLOCATION. AusLondonder (talk) 14:13, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:25, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:People from Muswellbrook, New South Wales
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:People from Muswellbrook, New South Wales to Category:People from Muswellbrook
- Nominator's rationale: To match parent category Category:Muswellbrook and renamed main article Muswellbrook. AusLondonder (talk) 14:04, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:26, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Nineveh
[edit]- Propose splitting Category:Nineveh to Category:Nineveh and Category:Nineveh archaeologists (or Category:Archaeologists of Nineveh)
- Nominator's rationale: This is not a people category per WP:COPSEP. Subcat can then be added to Category:Archaeologists by region of study. --woodensuperman 12:56, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support on creating a subcategory. But Nineveh is a city, not a region. Dimadick (talk) 12:58, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- A subcat of Category:Mesopotamian archaeologists then? --woodensuperman 13:01, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- The correct existing parent is Category:Archaeologists of the Near East. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:30, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- A subcat of Category:Mesopotamian archaeologists then? --woodensuperman 13:01, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Albury, New South Wales
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:Albury, New South Wales to Category:Albury
- Propose renaming Category:Education in Albury, New South Wales to Category:Education in Albury
- Propose renaming Category:People from Albury, New South Wales to Category:People from Albury (over redirect)
- Propose renaming Category: Rugby league players from Albury, New South Wales to Category:Rugby league players from Albury
- Propose renaming Category: Rugby union players from Albury, New South Wales to Category:Rugby union players from Albury
- Propose renaming Category:Sport in Albury, New South Wales to Category:Sport in Albury
- Propose renaming Category:Albury, New South Wales to Category:Albury
- Nominator's rationale: Rename to match the main article Albury. While there are a number of very small towns and villages of the same name, none of these have categories and several of them have less than 100 residents. Albury is the overwhelmingly clear primary topic. AusLondonder (talk) 12:49, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support, with subcats added. Of the entries at Albury (disambiguation), only Albury, Oxfordshire lists a notable person from there (who worked there as Rector for ≤12 years), so there is no competition to establish a "People from Albury" category. – Fayenatic London 12:31, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Ardglen, New South Wales
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Ardglen, New South Wales to Category:Liverpool Plains Shire
- Nominator's rationale: Category containing a main article and an article about a tunnel in the area, would be more suitably categorised in parent category. AusLondonder (talk) 12:38, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:32, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Greenethorpe, New South Wales
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Greenethorpe, New South Wales to Category:Weddin Shire
- Nominator's rationale: Category containing a main article and an article about a historic homestead. Would be more helpful contained within the parent category. AusLondonder (talk) 12:25, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:33, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:People from Privolzhsk
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Category containing a single article, unhelpful for navigation. AusLondonder (talk) 12:18, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:34, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, now listed. – Fayenatic London 12:20, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:People from Gaginsky District
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Category containing a single article, unhelpful for navigation. AusLondonder (talk) 12:14, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:34, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, already listed in article. – Fayenatic London 12:16, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:People from Mezhgorye, Republic of Bashkortostan
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Category containing a single article, unhelpful for navigation. AusLondonder (talk) 12:11, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:35, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, now listed in the article on the place. @AusLondonder: why are you unwilling to do this when making such nominations? – Fayenatic London 12:18, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Capital University of Medical Sciences
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Redundant category layer Mason (talk) 12:08, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:35, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:GMA Network personalities
[edit]- Propose merging Category:GMA Network personalities to Category:GMA Network people
- Nominator's rationale: "Personalities" is redundant with people. There is no reason to have this category which implies to cover "actors and singers" when "people" apply just fine. Hariboneagle927 (talk) 09:06, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- The merge target is probably meant to be Category:GMA Network (company) people. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:37, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, as Category:Filipino television personalities means presenters, whereas people includes other company roles. – Fayenatic London 12:11, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:ABS-CBN personalities
[edit]- Propose merging Category:ABS-CBN personalities to Category:ABS-CBN people
- Nominator's rationale: "Personalities" is redundant with people. There is no reason to have this category which implies to cover "actors and singers" when "people" apply just fine. Hariboneagle927 (talk) 09:05, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nominator.Lost in Quebec (talk) 09:14, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, as Category:Filipino television personalities means presenters, whereas people includes other company roles. – Fayenatic London 12:12, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Fiction about sexuality
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:Fiction about sexuality to Category:Fiction and sexuality or Category:Sexuality and fiction
- Nominator's rationale: It was speedy renamed without discussion. Some articles are about Sexuality in fiction but they are not technically Fiction about sexuality. So my proposal is to include both cases, as the scope of this was never discussed officially (or did anyone talk about it anywhere?). Web-julio (talk) 06:08, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose this way, the proposal is a too vague target. For topic articles about sexuality in fiction we may recreate Category:Sexuality in fiction as parent of Category:Fiction about sexuality. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:13, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- But then we should rename back per WP:STATUSQUO. Web-julio (talk) 18:36, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Procedurally I agree with that. After restoring the status quo, Category:Fiction about sexuality can be created as a "new" subcategory of Category:Sexuality in fiction. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:24, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- But then we should rename back per WP:STATUSQUO. Web-julio (talk) 18:36, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- So the proposal is to split, moving the category page history & topic articles back to Category:Sexuality in fiction, but keeping the subcats in Category:Fiction about sexuality – right? – Fayenatic London 15:32, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Right, that is another way of saying it. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:41, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Yup. "selective split". about the page historial, any process you think is the best Web-julio (talk) 17:35, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:LGBTQ and religion
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:LGBTQ and religion to Category:LGBTQ people and religion
- Nominator's rationale: No one in the last discussion considered consistency with the main article (Religion and LGBTQ people).
"LGBTQ" comes first following consistency with family tree, but that can change, observing this discussion. Web-julio (talk) 04:05, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- We should probably just keep to the order of the article. It is about how religion deals with LGBT people, not how LGBT people deal with religion. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:08, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Okay, now I'm neutral on the order. Web-julio (talk) 06:11, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Rename to Category:Religion and LGBTQ people per WP:TOPICCAT – ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · contribs · email) 14:12, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
October 20
[edit]Category:Slavery by war
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Slavery by war to Category:Slavery during wars
- Nominator's rationale: The contents of this category seem to be related to wars about slavery rather than a category that breaks down Slavery by individual wars Mason (talk) 01:54, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. I meant to keep this category separate from Category:Slavery during wars to keep the supercategory more focused on the subject of wartime slavery in general. AHI-3000 (talk) 02:38, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge and purge, large overlapping. Purge Category:American Civil War, this is not about slavery. Even if one of the primary causes of the war was slavery, the category is about war. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:49, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 21:48, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Surnames of Malagasy origin
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Surnames of Malagasy origin to Category:Malagasy-language surnames
- Nominator's rationale: These two categories seem to be duplicates as they contain many of the same articles. I don't care which one is Merged into which but I think we only need one category for Malagasy surnames. They also aren't very well populated but that's another matter. Liz Read! Talk! 20:54, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge or reverse merge per nom. Both forms occur, so the merge direction can just be taken randomly. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:10, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nomination, as the target already contains all the members of the nominated category. Also redirect to discourage unnecessary re-creation. – Fayenatic London 21:38, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Piedmontese-speaking people by occupation
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Piedmontese-speaking people by occupation to Category:Piedmontese language
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. Redundant category layer Mason (talk) 20:04, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:11, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Historic buildings and structures in France
[edit]- Propose Deleting Category:Historic buildings and structures in France
- Nominator's rationale: WP:NONDEFINING (WP:OVERLAPCAT & WP:SUBJECTIVECAT)
- The official heritage register in France is the Monument historique and all that this category contains is the Category:Monuments historiques of France subcategory so there's no navigational benefit to this empty parent category. And, if a Wikipedia editor added any articles directly to this category, it wouldn't be encyclopedic since it's so subjective. - RevelationDirect (talk) 18:33, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Background: We previously deleted similar subjective "historic" building categories here, here, here and here. Also, I moved two loose articles (1, 2) to the Mh subcat prior to this nomination.- RevelationDirect (talk) 18:33, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. The problem here is that Category:Monuments historiques of France must be subcategorized under the parent category Category:Historic buildings and structures, where the naming convention established by sibling categories for other countries requires the form "Historic buildings and structures in [Country]". The rule here isn't that things have to be categorized according to the "official name" of the register that conferred historic status; it's that the tree has to be internally consistent within itself, so that the location of any related category can be rationally predicted by any user regardless of their depth or lack of inside knowledge of the "official name" of anything. So we can't just file Category:Monuments historiques of France directly in the parent category, because it's out of phase with all of its siblings, but we can't just exclude it from a parent category that it needs to be in either, so this category must exist so that France has a category named the same way as its other-country siblings are named.
There's absolutely nothing subjective about them, either, as the categories were intended for buildings that have been designated as historic by external authorities, meaning that there's no subjectivity involved since the official registers of historic buildings tell us what does or doesn't belong in the categories. They're not categories for just any random building that any random Wikipedian wants to throw in them on the basis of a personal opinion that they're historic, they're categories for buildings that have been officially designated and listed as historic by the relevant authority, and thus have clear and straightforward and entirely unsubjective inclusion criteria. Bearcat (talk) 18:46, 20 October 2024 (UTC)- Only 8 other countries still have a sibling category we haven't deleted yet because they often are used for any random building that any random Wikipedian wants to throw in them, if they're used at all. In contrast, the less subjective Category:Heritage registers by country tree has 55 countries in it including Category:Heritage registers in France. - RevelationDirect (talk) 20:35, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Heritage registers by country is for things that are heritage registers, not things that are buildings on heritage registers, so that and this are not duplicating each other at all. And if the categories are being used wrong, then the appropriate solution is to clean up the bad entries, not to delete the categories altogether, because the categories do serve a valid and neutral and objective purpose quite independently of any misuse that may occur. Any category can have wrong stuff added to it at any time, so if "could be used wrongly" were a reason to delete categories in and of itself then we wouldn't have any categories at all anymore. Bearcat (talk) 21:19, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Only 8 other countries still have a sibling category we haven't deleted yet because they often are used for any random building that any random Wikipedian wants to throw in them, if they're used at all. In contrast, the less subjective Category:Heritage registers by country tree has 55 countries in it including Category:Heritage registers in France. - RevelationDirect (talk) 20:35, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Merge, there are only a few countries with this sort of category, so there is nothing predictable about it anyway. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:14, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Transgender
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:Transgender to Category:Transgender topics
- Nominator's rationale: The subcategories under Category:Transgender by country were recently renamed to Category:Transgender topics by country following this CfD. However, the top-level parent wasn't included in that nomination. Suggest renaming accordingly for consistency and to avoid the awkward adjective category title. Paul_012 (talk) 17:17, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Rename Per WP:C2C, consistency with established category tree names. Language is evolving very quickly in this area though, so no objection to renaming this tree later.. - RevelationDirect (talk) 18:36, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment This would be also consistent with Category:Transgender men-related topics and Category:Transgender women-related topics. Web-julio (talk) 03:47, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support per above. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 10:09, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:National artists of Thailand
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:National artists of Thailand to Category:National Artist (Thailand) awardees
- Nominator's rationale: I previously raised objection to the decapitalisation of the category title at WT:CFD, though the reversion process seems to have fallen through the cracks. Anyway, as I mentioned in that discussion, the National Artist title is an award, and directly using the award title for the category does feel a bit unnatural. To compare, we don't refer to Academy Award "Best Actors", but "Best Actor winners". Renaming the category as proposed would better reflect the nature of the title, i.e. its being an award, not a job. Paul_012 (talk) 16:51, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Note: I think the proposed form matches the general preference at CfD to follow the article title, though I personally dislike parenthesis in category titles when natural disambiguation is possible. So I'll also list Category:National Artist of Thailand awardees, Category:National Artist awardees of Thailand, Category:Thai National Artist awardees, and Category:Thailand National Artist awardees as alternative suggestions. --Paul_012 (talk) 16:54, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Alternative Rename or Rename Support matching the main article, National Artist (Thailand), per WP:C2D but Category:National Artists (Thailand) seems more succinct. (Would also support the nominated wording Category:National Artist (Thailand) awardees.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 22:55, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Part of why I want to avoid using National Artists as a noun is because it further leads to the issue of whether it should be capitalised as a proper noun, or decapitalised as a common title per WP:JOBTITLES, as raised in the above-mentioned dispute (which hasn't been resolved). I should probably also tag User:Hey man im josh from the previous speedy discussion. --Paul_012 (talk) 12:18, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oops, I thought someone had re-nommed that for speedy renaming to revert the change, since it was contested (after the fact, making it controversial still and meaning it should be discussed). I am indeed weary of it being pluralized because my understanding is "National Artist" is a title, whereas, I believe, based on WP:JOBTITLES, pluralizing it would lead to not being a proper title. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:25, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Part of why I want to avoid using National Artists as a noun is because it further leads to the issue of whether it should be capitalised as a proper noun, or decapitalised as a common title per WP:JOBTITLES, as raised in the above-mentioned dispute (which hasn't been resolved). I should probably also tag User:Hey man im josh from the previous speedy discussion. --Paul_012 (talk) 12:18, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Scindia dynasty of Gwalior
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:Scindia dynasty of Gwalior to Category:Scindia dynasty
- Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary disambiguation. PadFoot (talk) 16:42, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Alt rename to Category:House of Scindia per article title House of Scindia. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:17, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- That would be good too. PadFoot (talk) 13:26, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Somali(an) people
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:13th-century Somalian people to Category:13th-century Somali people
- Propose renaming Category:14th-century Somalian people to Category:14th-century Somali people
- Propose renaming Category:15th-century Somalian people to Category:15th-century Somali people
- Propose renaming Category:16th-century Somalian people to Category:16th-century Somali people
- Propose renaming Category:17th-century Somalian people to Category:17th-century Somali people
- Propose renaming Category:18th-century Somalian people to Category:18th-century Somali people
- Propose renaming Category:19th-century Somalian people to Category:19th-century Somali people
- Propose renaming Category:19th-century Somalian women to Category:19th-century Somali women
- Propose renaming Category:19th-century Somalian writers to Category:19th-century Somali writers
- Propose renaming Category:19th-century Somalian women writers to Category:19th-century Somali women writers
- Nominator's rationale: rename and re-parent, the country Somalia did not exist yet in these centuries and it is unclear whether Somalian would include or exclude current Somaliland. So I think it is better to re-parent these categories, i.e. move them from the tree of Category:Somalian people to the tree of Category:Ethnic Somali people. For example in the 13th-century category there is someone in the Maldives who was probably an ethnic Somali. Fwiw, many articles use "Somali" rather than "Somalian" too. This is follow-up on this earlier discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:35, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Lean Oppose. It may be a follow-up discussion, but that discussion didn't conclude that we should rename everything from a nationality( Somalian) to an ethnicity (Somali). Logistically, this rename would be incompatible with the templates its currently using. Mason (talk) 21:27, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Templates should be changed accordingly, of course. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:21, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. PadFoot (talk) 13:27, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Lean Oppose. It may be a follow-up discussion, but that discussion didn't conclude that we should rename everything from a nationality( Somalian) to an ethnicity (Somali). Logistically, this rename would be incompatible with the templates its currently using. Mason (talk) 21:27, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Rename all, and redirect C19 to aid navigation between centuries. – Fayenatic London 21:30, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Logos by country
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:Logos by country to Category:Wikipedia images of logos by country
- Propose renaming Category:Logos by medium to Category:Wikipedia images of logos by medium
- Nominator's rationale: rename to align with parent Category:Wikipedia images of logos and to avoid confusion with Category:Logos which contains articles rather than images. There are a few articles in these trees (not many), they should be moved to Category:Logos. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:12, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom Mason (talk) 21:21, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support. If separate categories for articles and image files are desired, then this looks like the best way to accomplish that. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 10:09, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Dynasties of the Rajputs
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:Dynasties of the Rajputs to Category:Rajput dynasties
- Nominator's rationale: Simpler, more concise and more common construct. PadFoot (talk) 16:03, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Museum of the Year (UK) recipients
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Not a defining feature of any of the subjects. Not a particularly notable award. AusLondonder (talk) 14:42, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Question: you say its not a particularly notable award, are there notability requirements for categories? The article itself Museum of the Year has 48 references. I'm not very familiar with the rules around categories but this seems like enough. John Cummings (talk) 18:07, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Categories use a somewhat different standard, WP:DEFINING, and most of the nominations here involve WP:OC. Hope that helps! RevelationDirect (talk) 22:57, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Question: you say its not a particularly notable award, are there notability requirements for categories? The article itself Museum of the Year has 48 references. I'm not very familiar with the rules around categories but this seems like enough. John Cummings (talk) 18:07, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:OCAWARD. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:50, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Clicked on several articles and this is treated as a passing reference; feels like WP:OCAWARD. - RevelationDirect (talk) 22:59, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Carrathool
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Carrathool to Category:Carrathool Shire
- Nominator's rationale: Category containing only the main article and an article about a disused bridge, better categorised in parent category. AusLondonder (talk) 13:54, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:51, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Dumaresq, New South Wales
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Category containing only the main article and an article about a defunct train station. Unhelpful for navigation. AusLondonder (talk) 13:45, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Probably merge to Category:Northern Tablelands. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:53, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- The main article is already categorised in Category:Towns in New England (New South Wales), a region largely overlapping with the Northern Tablelands. AusLondonder (talk) 15:25, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Fiction set around Omicron Persei
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Every item in this category is a Futurama episode; it is also the only media which is frequently set there listed on the article Omicron Persei; this category may be too narrow or small. Xeroctic (talk) 13:38, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:LGBTQ centenarians
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Non-defining intersection under WP:EGRS Mason (talk) 12:49, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, trivial intersection. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:16, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep if Category:LGBTQ people by period subcats are defining, so is LGBTQ centenarians. EGRS doesn't say anything on that matter, yet people blindly use it imaginarily thinking it does. Or at least provide specific quote or section in which it applies.
- --MikutoH talk! 00:55, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- How is the intersection between being a longevist and LGBTQ defining? Your comparison doesn't make sense at all because LGBTQ people by period isn't relevant at all to the question at hand. Mason (talk) 01:39, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Per request @MikutoH
- >Do not create categories that intersect a particular topic (such as occupation, place of residence, or other such characteristics) with an ethnicity, gender, religion, sexual orientation, or disability, unless that combination is itself recognized as a defining topic that has already been established (in reliable sources showing substantial existing research specific to the topic), as academically or culturally significant in its own right. The mere fact that such people happen to exist is not a valid criterion for determining the legitimacy of a category.
- Mason (talk) 01:42, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- How is the intersection between being a longevist and LGBTQ defining? Your comparison doesn't make sense at all because LGBTQ people by period isn't relevant at all to the question at hand. Mason (talk) 01:39, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:EGRS. I also believe that being a centenarian is non-defining for the vast majority of people but that is a different discussion.--User:Namiba
Category:People from Kamyenyets
[edit]- Propose merging Category:People from Kamyenyets to Category:People from Kamyenyets District
- Nominator's rationale: Category containing a single article, unhelpful for navigation. AusLondonder (talk) 12:45, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:18, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge – I have listed the bio in the town article. – Fayenatic London 21:27, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:People from Zardab
[edit]- Propose merging Category:People from Zardab to Category:People from Zardab District
- Nominator's rationale: Category containing a single article, unhelpful for navigation. AusLondonder (talk) 12:42, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:19, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge – already listed in the town article. – Fayenatic London 21:25, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:People from Sulam
[edit]- Propose merging Category:People from Sulam to Category:People from Northern District (Israel)
- Nominator's rationale: Category containing a single article, unhelpful for navigation. AusLondonder (talk) 12:38, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:20, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge – I have listed the bio in the town article. – Fayenatic London 21:24, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:People from Athens, West Virginia
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Category containing a single article, unhelpful for navigation. AusLondonder (talk) 12:26, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:20, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge – already listed in the town article. – Fayenatic London 21:23, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:People from Anawalt, West Virginia
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Category containing a single article, unhelpful for navigation. AusLondonder (talk) 12:21, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:21, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge – I have listed the bio in the town article. – Fayenatic London 21:21, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:People from Lemington, Vermont
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Category containing a single article, unhelpful for navigation. AusLondonder (talk) 12:13, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:21, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge – I have listed the bio in the town article. – Fayenatic London 21:21, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:People from Gazipaşa
[edit]- Propose merging Category:People from Gazipaşa to Category:People from Antalya Province
- Nominator's rationale: Category with just one entry. Lost in Quebec (talk) 08:40, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. AusLondonder (talk) 13:46, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:22, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge – I have listed the bio in the town article. – Fayenatic London 21:18, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:People from Thompson, North Dakota
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Category containing a single article, unhelpful for navigation. AusLondonder (talk) 04:47, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:03, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:22, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge – I have listed the bio in the town article. – Fayenatic London 21:15, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:People from Kensington, New Hampshire
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Category containing a single article, unhelpful for navigation. AusLondonder (talk) 01:47, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:03, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:23, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge – I have listed the bio in the town article, and would encourage the nominator to do so in similar nominations. – Fayenatic London 21:15, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Lostwave
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Lostwave to Category:Lost musical works
- Nominator's rationale: "Lostwave" is basically an ill-defined currently trendy Internet term that refers to music of unknown origins, which can also refer to completely lost works such as Ready 'n' Steady, or songs that are only known based on fragments, which seems to be the most common as listed on the page. While it is definitely "real" insofar its a term people use and there is something of a community around it, the fact it isn't clearly defined to begin with, and almost completely overlaps with "Lost musical works", "Rediscovered musical works" or "Works of unknown authorship" doesn't really make it suitable as a category. Iostn (talk) 22:08, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 20:04, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. Distinct phenomenon from lost musical works, which are pieces and recordings of music which secondary sources can attest existed at one point, but no longer do. Support renaming to Music of unknown origin, which unlike the trendy "Lostwave" is a time-tested phrase in academia. DigitalIceAge (talk) 19:28, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on the rename proposal?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:52, 12 October 2024 (UTC)- It's an improvement over the present name. Mason (talk) 22:26, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge "music of unknown origin" is a clear WP:OCMISC. * Pppery * it has begun... 03:57, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- I don't agree, unknown authorship is legitimate and different from a category for miscellaneous authors. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 07:11, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Rename to Category:Music of unknown origin, this is different from the merge target and Category:Songwriter unknown (nominated here). –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 07:16, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Still no consensus to keep or merge the category, but I am not seeing objection to renaming if kept.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:47, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Music of unknown origin does not really cover it. The category contains rediscovered songs of temporarily unknown origin, except one article about a song of which the origin is still unknown by today. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:28, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:FL-Class cricket articles of Mid-importance
[edit]- Propose deleting
- Category:FL-Class cricket articles of Mid-importance (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:FL-Class cricket articles of Top-importance (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:FL-Class cricket articles of High-importance (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting
- Nominator's rationale: According to WikiProject Cricket's assessment scheme, All lists (including FLs) are assessed as Low-Importance only. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 17:21, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
- Same for,
- Category:List-Class cricket articles of Mid-importance (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:List-Class cricket articles of Top-importance (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:List-Class cricket articles of High-importance (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 17:25, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Vestrian24Bio: You only put the CFD tag on one of the categories. You are supposed to tag every category that is being considered for deletion. Also, I don't think we typically delete categories like these. QuicoleJR (talk) 15:28, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- Same for,
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: All have now been tagged. Thoughts on the merits of the proposal / is it the case that we don't typically delete categories like these?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:31, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: These categories are automatically populated by the WikiProject template, so deleting them via CfD won't work; it'll only create red category links on talk pages. If the WikiProject standard is as you say, the incorrect assessments should be corrected first. However, I'm not seeing anything to that effect at the linked assessment page. It only says lists are excluded from Top and High class. The mention of cricket-related lists under Low class is only as an example, not a prescription. --Paul_012 (talk) 17:11, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Just noting that four of these categories are empty. Liz Read! Talk! 20:56, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Vestrian24Bio: I see that you manually emptied the nominated FL-class categories into Low-importance, e.g. [7]. If you're sure that you understood WP:CRICIS correctly, you'd have to do the same on the lists. The empty categories could then be deleted. I have no idea whether there is any feature in the meta template for project banners that would allow a quality class (List) to override an importance class that was explicitly specified e.g. as Mid, and force it to use Low instead. – Fayenatic London 15:48, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- I see what you mean, I will raise this question at the Module talk:WikiProject banner and see if there's a way to suppress the importance assessment. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 16:08, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
Women local politicans
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:Women local councillors in Australia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Australian women local councillors
- Propose renaming Category:Women municipal councillors in Brazil (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Brazilian women municipal councillors
- Propose renaming Category:Women municipal councillors in Canada (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Canadian women municipal councillors
- Propose renaming Category:Women local politicians in Taiwan (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Taiwanese women local politicians
- Propose renaming Category:Women councillors in the United Kingdom (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:British women councillors
- Propose renaming Category:Women city councillors in the United States (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American women city councillors
- Nominator's rationale: Change to Fooian/Xian per parents. --MikutoH talk! 04:17, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment, most of the above have Fooian parents, but Australia and the United Kingdom do not. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:15, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- Question. Shouldn't these follow the structure of the parent local politicians in FOO? Mason (talk) 21:20, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose unless @MikutoH or someone else explains why the convention should differ. Mason (talk) 12:50, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Smasongarrison It shouldn't differ. And which parent of the Taiwan case you're pointing at? Because all of them are Fooian. The Australia should be kept, based on the other discussion. --MikutoH talk! 01:02, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- And different from Commons and several Wikipedias, enwiki doesn't have Category:Births by country. --MikutoH talk! 01:04, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- This category structure is what I'm talking about: Category:Local politicians in Canada and Category:Local politicians by country Mason (talk) 01:36, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- And different from Commons and several Wikipedias, enwiki doesn't have Category:Births by country. --MikutoH talk! 01:04, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Smasongarrison It shouldn't differ. And which parent of the Taiwan case you're pointing at? Because all of them are Fooian. The Australia should be kept, based on the other discussion. --MikutoH talk! 01:02, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose unless @MikutoH or someone else explains why the convention should differ. Mason (talk) 12:50, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Question. Shouldn't these follow the structure of the parent local politicians in FOO? Mason (talk) 21:20, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Critics of veganism
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OPINIONCAT. Web-julio (talk) 05:05, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, not a defining of these articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:09, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep both, because OPINIONCAT isn't really applicable here. They are not characterized simply because of a non-defining like or dislike, but because of a position that they hold. In that regard, there is no functional difference between someone who recommends veganism/vegetarianism, versus someone who recommends against it, so long as there is sufficient sourcing that the person has made significant commentary to that effect. If there are pages about people for whom it is a minor aspect of their views, so as not to be defining, that should be addressed by cleanup of the categories, rather than by deleting the categories entirely. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:37, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Vegans and Category:Vegan people were deleted two times, but if we see, there's still Category:People in veganism, but no one is there simply because they are vegan or recommend veganism. The same is true about Category:Vegetarians vs Category:People in vegetarianism.
- While some say critics of vegetarianism are automatically critic of veganism, that's not true as there are vegans who oppose Lacto-ovo vegetarianism or are sceptical of Flexitarianism as well. Web-julio (talk) 00:18, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom (WP:OPINIONCAT). PadFoot (talk) 12:12, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:British music logos
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Limited scope (contains just one entry and one subcat) with likely limited expansion. Exists without an established Category:Music logos tree that also seems too limited to exist. Upmerge to Category:British logos. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 19:39, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment, the parent category seems to be an images category, so it may not be the best merge target. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:07, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- Looks like a mix of files and articles (mostly in other subcats) to me. Do you think it should be pruned of one or the other? Split between the two? QuietHere (talk | contributions) 20:39, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- I think all articles should be moved to the tree of Category:Logos. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:19, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- Looks like a mix of files and articles (mostly in other subcats) to me. Do you think it should be pruned of one or the other? Split between the two? QuietHere (talk | contributions) 20:39, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:19, 20 October 2024 (UTC)- If articles and image files need to be separated then sure, go ahead. I don't know that they actually do, but if Marcocapelle insists then I'm willing to trust them. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 15:57, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- See follow up nomination. It may be a good idea to close this discussion only after the follow-up is closed. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:18, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
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