Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Melange fiesta/Template SIattention

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The result of the discussion was: delete. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 16:06, 8 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

User:Melange fiesta/Template SIattention

Trivializes an important mental health issue, thus violating WP:UBCR. While at face value this may seem a reasonable sentiment, it's a stereotype that's often used to dismiss people who self-harm, discouraging them from finding help. Our own article on self-harm notes: A common belief regarding self-harm is that it is an attention-seeking behaviour; however, in many cases, this is inaccurate. -- Tamzin (she/they) | o toki tawa mi. 12:34, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as per nominator. (I usually ignore MFDs of userboxes.) Robert McClenon (talk) 16:24, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I went back and forth on this one, but after some thought, Delete. There's a popular stereotype that self-harm is "just to get attention" (as in some sort of manipulation). While that happens sometimes, the "for attention" here equally applies to people who do this as a way of asking for help (or drawing "attention" to a real problem). We have a diverse userbase, many of whom struggle, I'm sure, with self-harm, and I don't think it fosters community (the point of userboxes, other than to explain one's Wikipedia activities) to minimize it. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 16:26, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I meant to hit on this point more. To the extent that our article on self-harm does discuss self-harm as attention-seeking, it says For some people, harming themselves can be a means of drawing attention to the need for help and to ask for assistance in an indirect way. It may also be an attempt to affect others and to manipulate them in some way emotionally. That is to say, even within "for attention," the stereotype of wanting attention purely for its own sake, or to manipulate others, is the less common reason. We often worry about Wikipedians not being willing to ask for help when they need it. It would be pretty clearly attention-seeking to post on one's userpage "My self-harm has been out of control lately." And it would be a very good kind of attention-seeking. We don't want someone to keep that sort of thing to themself. Sorry, not to preach to the choir here. Just wanted to reënforce this point. -- Tamzin (she/they) | o toki tawa mi. 17:42, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: I don't really see how this violates UBCR. It's not trivializing self-harm--it's simply stating that faking self-harm for attention is bad. I'm sure virtually everyone agree with this statement. If it said something along the lines of "people who self-harm are faking it," then I might vote to delete. Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 04:12, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Well, yes, if we insert words that aren't there ("faking") then this would be a different conversation. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 04:17, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete promotes bad stereotypes Nithin🚀 ^talk 04:25, 2 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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