Talk:2005 IDW timeline

Update?

I've not yet read AHM, but it looks like this page hasn't been updated for about a year now. It's in desperate need of additions to MaxDino, Revelation, and AHM. We really could do with a sorted out chronology. Anyone up to the task?

I'm pretty sure it's been explicitly stated that the IDW's Beast Wars title is NOT in continuity with their main G1-based stuff. Even if that weren't incredibly obvious by it's very nature. --KilMichaelMcC 08:19, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Hrm, that sounds a bit familiar. Clearly I was thrown by the consistent-with-BW lethal energon fields in the Shockwave Spotlight. I shall remove it from the timeline. -Derik 08:27, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

"6.2 metacycles ago, with 1 metacycle = 13 months" uh, that would make the events of the first Ark happen 80.6 months ago, not 6.7 million years.... --UndeadScottsman 11:52, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Forgot the million, sorry. --ItsWalky 16:26, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

2006/2007

In the modern era, starting with Infiltration in 2006, isn't it sorta indeterminate when 2007 is, comic wise? Sure, Escalation was published in late 2006-2007, but chronologically it starts right after Infiltration/Stormbringer. Also, while the miniseries is released over a 6-month span, it actually takes place over a few days (weeks at most). Perhaps we should just combine 2006 and 2007 to 2006+ and just list the events in the order in which they happened. Thoughts? --MistaTee 14:18, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I don't really see the kids hanging out with the Autobots for a year between Infiltration and Escalation...--Nevermore 07:25, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

I thought we got some sort of in-universe date reference in Devastation saying Infiltration was just a few months ago...? -Derik 00:51, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Where is it stated that Galvatron's re-emergence and the creation of the Scourge's sweeps in "Rebirth" happened PRIOR to AHM? The way it's written it seems that it could very well have happened AFTERWARDS, couldn't it?

I think that was according to the Continuum reading order. Don't have it in front of me to check though.--MistaTee 13:36, 29 January 2010 (EST)

Yeah, but even if it IS in the Continuum, does that thing even COUNT?

No.

(I mean, seriously... no. Even ignoring the errors, it's basically written out-fiction. It adds nothing to the universe.) -Derik 17:05, 1 February 2010 (EST)

All we really know for sure is it happened sometime AFTER Revelation. Hopefully the next author that follows up on this can nail down the timeframe. Is Galvatron supposed to be in the Wreckers mini? --MistaTee 14:05, 3 February 2010 (EST)

Clean up?

The Infiltration/Escalation/Devastation sections seem way too long and detailed for a timeline. Shouldn't things like Sixshot's battle with the Autobots be like one or two sentences long, rather than an issue-by-issue citing of events? I'm asking 'cause it's possible somebody's trying to verify that the events can really happen at the pace they're portrayed (which is a laudable goal given the current furor over at Spotlight: Arcee), but I suspect it's mostly a result of things being added piecemeal as each issue comes out, without any re-writing of previous material. -- Repowers 00:39, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree, a cleanup is in order, and we haven't even added in the events of the last three Spotlights in the current era, yet. --FFN 05:12, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Don't the events of Spotlight Arcee take place before the end of Devastation? --FFN 10:34, 7 March 2008 (UTC) A few notes - Spotlight Wheelie clearly takes place sometime AFTER all the other ones so far, as the decepticons who die in it are all under Megatron's command in AHM. So that gives us some context to add it. Also I'd argue for Spotlight Kup occuring sometime earlier than listed here. --Sunyavadin

Wrong on Spotlight Kup. Springer shows up in the comic following the events of Stormbringer. --Detour 04:32, 17 March 2009 (EDT)

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH SO BLOATED WHAT THE HELL. Man, I wanted to clean this up before Continuum comes out, but it's a friiiiiiggin' mess. --ItsWalky 22:18, 9 November 2009 (EST)

MistaTee, what the hell. Maximum Dinobots does not need a play-by-play. This is a TIMELINE. If we're using more than ten sentences for a five-issue miniseries we're DOING IT WRONG. --ItsWalky 15:44, 12 November 2009 (EST)

Follow the example of Megatron Origin's writeup on the timeline. That is ideal. You can really tell where on this page when we started creating it - which stories were already out when we started, versus which stories were coming out as we were updating it. We should always write like the former, not dogpile sentence-by-sentence until we make a monster. --ItsWalky 15:50, 12 November 2009 (EST)

Agreed that it needed shortening, but it doesn't even mention the Monsterbots, who basically saved their asses. This is condensed more than Continuum, which is not necessarily a good thing. --MistaTee 16:02, 12 November 2009 (EST)

Expand it from here, rather than shorten it from the super-long version. This edit is closer to what we desire. --ItsWalky 16:26, 12 November 2009 (EST)

Inclusion of Avengers

Does anyone actually know if this series is still considered (or ever was considered) canon with the other IDW stuff or is it like most comic book crossovers, just random, non-canonical stuff User:Eire 23.22 Nov 12 09 (UTC)

It's definitely included. It's been said to be canon, and it ties directly into Spotlight: Ramjet anyway. --ItsWalky 18:25, 12 November 2009 (EST)

How incredibly depressing...so where were the damn avengers during AHM huh ^_^ Although, SPL: Ramjet went out of its way to not really give you a clue about the connection

Where were Spider-Man and Nick Fury when the Decepticon Civil War broke into New York City? They called the Neo-Knights instead! But "Prisoner of War!" is still canon, even though the letters page asked us to forget about it, please. --ItsWalky 22:13, 25 November 2009 (EST)

Out-universe, Marvel seems to (via their "Access") series canonized the idea that there are 3 kind of "naturally occouring" non-amalgamated 'crossovers.'

1. A character crosses from one universe to another, and is totally aware this is not their own universes.
2. Two universes temporarily overlap, including all their histories. Characters from Universe A will remember always having known about characters from Universe B, and may be vaguely aware of the oddity that they somehow always managed to miss one another in the past, but not think anything of it. (all characters occupy the same universe, but the universes remain largely segregated.)
3. Two universes overlap, and the overlap causes large-scale alterations to the universe because if these characters had always co-existed they would have been fundamentally altered by their interaction. (The present looks nothing like the present of either universe.)

Access sorts out crossovers of Types 1,2 and 4. (4 being Amalgamations, which do not naturally occour.) He may also handle #3 behind-the-scenes, but this has not been established.

So there is a mechanism for this crossover to be canon and make perfect sense (IIRC the Marvel line at the time was that these were the Avengers of earth 616) a Type 2 universe cross-over. They happen naturally from time to time. But that mechanism has only been established in the Marvel comics, not any TF comic, so apparently we're required to remain ignorant of it? -Derik 21:40, 25 November 2009 (EST)

Remain ignorant about what? :P

1) I don't know if it is true or not, but our page on the crossover says it can't be Earth 616. 2) I think the wiki sort of treats it like #2 already. How would we treat it differently if we were to acknowledge this canonized idea? - Starfield 22:06, 25 November 2009 (EST)

AHM Giant Block of Text

Why does AHM have a giant block of text that is essentially a recap of two issues? --FFN 18:56, 25 November 2009 (EST)

I don't know. I put the cleanup tag for it. But I'm not about to go torture my brain cells reading AHM again to fix it. --Detour 21:24, 25 November 2009 (EST)

I've trimmed it back to bullet points. :) --abates 00:37, 26 November 2009 (EST)

You rock. --Detour 00:51, 26 November 2009 (EST)

Drift miniseries

I'm right in saying that the Drift miniseries should also be mentioned under the section detailing Drift's defection and meeting with the neutrals right? Only Spotlight: Drift is mentioned currently see... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Durge (talk • contribs).

2012

I'm not sure why "Syndromica (1)" is taken by the note to establish that the whole of RiD/MtMtE take place in 2012. Even besides imprecision in the dialogue, the fact that the titles are in different settings/with different casts and so don't need to line up until they cross over, and that the Syndromica side-arc has a different cast/setting yet again from the main RiD title... "Syndromica (1)" is RiD #6.

Even if we presume (for simplicity) OP wasn't speaking loosely and the Syndromica issues actually take place between the Cybertron issues they're published between, RiD #1-5 and the whole MtMtE series to date could take place in 2011 without contradicting that!

Also, if AHM's ending is at the end of May 2008 and we're taking time-jumps to be fully accurate, then two full years later means "...For All Mankind is June 2010 or later. If so, then even from the time-jumps alone (ignoring the time taken for the arcs themselves), Police Action and the surrounding stories (eight months after Ongoing #6) must take place in 2011. - Mammalian Verisimilitude 02:32, 8 August 2012 (EDT)

Title

Isn't the title a little vague? IDW have published non-G1 and alternate-continuity works, after all. --Flicky1991 09:48, 1 February 2013 (EST)

Lost years

1) a lot of in-universe dated events are listed here for some reason. Seems like they should all be part of the timeline... yes? No?

2) We're missing a bunch of stuff tangentially referenced or hinted at by Roberts' material. Stuff like all the battles that have been name-dropped, the war expanding off-planet, the formation and later collapse of the Constellate (described in Scavengers), the blacklisting of Cybertronians and formation of the Galactic Council, etc. Very minor in terms of the stories we've been getting, but big, major stuff for the characters in-universe.

Problem is, I'm not sure where to add it all in. The in-universe dates above don't necessarily add up. I'm guessing either in the 100,000+ years ago or 10,000 years ago - opinions, before I make some unilateral decision? -- Repowers 08:16, 16 May 2013 (EDT)

Also, do we know when the Infiltration protocol process began? Before or after Cybertron was deserted? -- Repowers 08:29, 16 May 2013 (EDT)

None of the LSOTW scenes surrounding Megatron establishing the Phase Sixers (which I assume would be not long after the protocol system was set up) are dated, but I guess we can at least place it prior to Kup's shipwrecking, since he was around for Overlord picking Option 2. Jalaguy 09:22, 16 May 2013 (EDT)

Yeah, the protocol seems to be fairly recent. Wasn't Kup shown in the trenches on Cybertron during Spotlight: Blaster?

Overall there seems to be an arc of the war expanding off-planet, the 'cons establishing an empire, the empire eventually collapsing, resources dwindling, Cybertron being lost, and both sides entrenching into the war-of-attrition infiltration system. We only have a date for the collapse of Cybertron, though. -- Repowers 13:15, 16 May 2013 (EDT)

Most of this is a function of the page being seriously out of date generally - if you look to the bottom, none of the present-day events post-RiDW #1 are incorporated, bar a side-note about the dividing line between 2011/2012 being unclear. Any volunteers? - SanityOrMadness 18:48, 16 May 2013 (EDT)

I'm game, at least for the obscure backstory stuff which I've been tracking anyway! -- Repowers 12:12, 17 May 2013 (EDT)

Hasbro Universe content

I know we're not a general Hasbro Universe wiki, but hear me out; I think this is one page on the wiki where it'd make sense to make an exception, if nothing else to avoid having half the events in the universe on TFWiki and the other half on the IDW Hasbro Wiki. Particularly with the timeline in Revolutionaries #1, which explicitly sets out several dates. Anyone have any thoughts on this? --Riptide (talk) 17:13, 19 June 2017 (EDT)

Count me for this idea. S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47 (talk) 17:34, 19 June 2017 (EDT)

Honestly, I think this page need a near bottom-up overhaul before we even start thinking about adding non-TF stuff to it. It's so piecemealy and incomplete; we need to eliminate all the pointless "? BC" entries and turn the bullet-pointed lists of events from the same stories into proper prose. - Chris McFeely (talk) 17:42, 19 June 2017 (EDT)

...Yeah, I somehow didn't even scroll down far enough to see that there's basically nothing from the Barberts era-onwards on here. Whoops. (I do maintain that it would be a good idea after an overhaul, though.) --Riptide (talk) 17:50, 19 June 2017 (EDT)

I'll help if this is the decision we make Jcbynum1 (talk) 19:34, 19 June 2017 (EDT)

12 million years ago

Shouldn't Shockwave-as-Onyx be at 12mya instead of 10mya? --Thylacine 2000 (talk) 18:26, 13 November 2018 (EST)

1988

How do we know/how is it possible that Skids and Getaway’s assignment with Tyrest happened about 25 years before Skids crash landed near the Duobots? That doesn’t seem right to me. Shouldn’t that get moved up? Cylasbreakdown (talk) 00:57, 4 August 2022 (EDT)