Property talk:P741
Documentation
hand used to play a racket sport, cricket, fencing, or curling
Description | the hand(s) a tennis player uses for his strokes | ||||||||||||
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Represents | laterality (Q10927834) | ||||||||||||
Data type | Item | ||||||||||||
Template parameter | |plays= in en:template:Infobox tennis biography | ||||||||||||
Domain | According to this template:
tennis and badminton players
According to statements in the property:
When possible, data should only be stored as statementshuman (Q5) | ||||||||||||
Allowed values | According to this template:
left-handed, right-handed, double-handed backhand, double-handed forehand
According to statements in the property:
When possible, data should only be stored as statementsright-handedness (Q3039938), left-handedness (Q789447), one-handed forehand (Q14419931), two-handed forehand (Q14420005), one-handed backhand (Q14420039) or two-handed backhand (Q14420068) | ||||||||||||
Example | Rafael Nadal (Q10132) → left-handedness (Q789447) Victoria Azarenka (Q10118) → right-handedness (Q3039938) | ||||||||||||
Tracking: usage | Category:Pages using Wikidata property P741 (Q23909143) | ||||||||||||
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Proposal discussion | Proposal discussion | ||||||||||||
Current uses |
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Search for values |
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P741#One of, values statistics, search, SPARQL
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P741#Entity types
This property is being used by:
Please notify projects that use this property before big changes (renaming, deletion, merge with another property, etc.) |
OBSOLETED
[edit]Decision taken at Wikidata:Requests_for_deletions/Archive/2013/Properties/4#Property:P741. Similar to shooting handedness (P423) discussed here, decision is :
- Rather use handedness (P552) with qualifier sport (P641).
LaddΩ chat ;) 16:25, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
- There is problem with values forehand (Q1333285) and backhand (Q1364175) and constraints. --Infovarius (talk) 12:06, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
IMO This should not be deleted since also shooting handedness (P423) was kept. --Stryn (talk) 09:53, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
One year later
[edit]@Kompakt, Infovarius, Stryn, Jura1, Edoderoo: @GZWDer, FelixReimann, Izno, Filceolaire, Jklamo:
This property is marked as obsolete since one year and not much happend - only around 50 claims have been removed [1]. The main problem is that merging into handedness (P552) isn't straightforward as handedness (P552) only allows the value left-handedness (Q789447) and right-handedness (Q3039938), however, P741 can also have values one-handed forehand (Q14419931), two-handed backhand (Q14420068) etc. To solve this conflict I can think about three options:
- merging P741 into handedness (P552) and extending the range of allowed values of handedness (P552)
- merging P741 into shooting handedness (P423)
- keeping P741
What do you think? --Pasleim (talk) 19:38, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
- In the meantime, it is clear that qualifier wont be available for queries anytime soon, thus it's preferable to keep the property (3). --- Jura 19:45, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
- I think there should be few conflict between values in P741 and P552. So it is possible to query without many false positives (which can probably be fixed manually by client).--GZWDer (talk) 09:57, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
- Queries with qualifiers wont be developed in the short or medium term. See the development plan at «Querying for sources or qualifiers not to be done». --- Jura 05:22, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
- Accordingly, I'd favor removing the "Obsoleted" from the description. --- Jura 05:24, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
- I think there should be few conflict between values in P741 and P552. So it is possible to query without many false positives (which can probably be fixed manually by client).--GZWDer (talk) 09:57, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
- I support option (1) and I believe this is what was proposed when we agreed to delete P741. Filceolaire (talk) 01:23, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
- I support option 3 per Jura1 above and my comment in the "OBSOLETED" section. --Stryn (talk) 16:22, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
- Ok, I updated the property with (3). --- Jura 07:07, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
Extended domain
[edit]I extended the domain of this property to badminton player (Q13141064). Maybe we could also add other racquet sports. --Pasleim (talk) 12:25, 18 April 2016 (UTC)