Talk:Q1164079

A performance of the play Birds by Aristophanes; a man is pe Wellcome V0040121

Hello EncycloPetey. File:A performance of the play Birds by Aristophanes; a man is pe Wellcome V0040121.jpg - this is 1883 Cambridge Greek Play. There were a million of these shows. Read - Hall E., Wrigley А. Aristophanes in Performance 421 BC—AD 2007: Peace, Birds and Frogs (англ.) / Archive of Performances of Greek and Roman Drama (University of Oxford). There is no reason to impose this very image as an Main image for an article card in many projects. Example. Either delete it - it's not a Wikimedia Commons or downgrade. NoFrost (talk) 18:31, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

This is an illustration of a performance of the play. It is therefore appropriate for this item. It is available at Commons, so I do not understand why you think otherwise. If a project wishes to use a different image, they can do so by choosing a local link. Deprecating the image for all Wikiprojects is a misuse of deprecation. See Help:Ranking#Deprecated_rank for what Ranking is intended to be used for. --EncycloPetey (talk) 19:51, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

• It is a play in English, not in the original language; it is a play without masks on people - which is not natural for the original. It is a play, unlike the Dionysus Theatre, which is performed in a completely different theatre. This image is not suitable for illustration Q1164079 at all. Why isn't it any other picture of any other performance? NoFrost (talk) 20:06, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

It is the same play. The language of the performance is irrelevant. The choice of costumes is irrelevant. The place it was staged is irrelevant. Where are you ginding this guidance on image choice for Wikidata items? It sounds as though you are making your own rules.

Please do not remove valid content. Doing so is vandalism. --EncycloPetey (talk) 20:12, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

• Write an article about this 1883 production, and that picture will be appropriate. Go reread what vandalism is to avoid making baseless accusations. NoFrost (talk) 20:14, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

  I ask again: Where are you getting this guidance about images? You are inventing your own rules and making other people follow them. Images of plays do not have to be placed only on a data item for a specific performance. If we did that, we'd have to remove all the images from most data items about plays. Look at the image on Three Sisters (Q477823). It is from a printed copy of the play, and not from the original performance. By your rules, this image would have to appear only on an article about the printed copy. Your recommendation makes no sense, and is not supported by any guidance on Wikidata. --EncycloPetey (talk) 20:26, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

• Three Sisters (Q477823) - first publication. NoFrost (talk) 20:31, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

  No, that is the data item for the play, not for the printed copy first publication. Each edition of a publication gets its own data item on Wikidata. The primary item is for the work in all its forms, not just for the first publication. --EncycloPetey (talk) 20:35, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

• then add a second image. For example, this is File:The Birds of Aristophanes 1883 (cropped). is it possible to add a second image? NoFrost (talk) 20:44, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

  It is possible to add more images, but your suggestion is another image from the same performance. It would not contribute to the data item. --EncycloPetey (talk) 20:46, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

• EncycloPetey File:The Birds o f Aristophanes Robinson Planche. 1846.jpg NoFrost (talk) 21:42, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

  You have not provided a link to the source of this image. Without such information, it may be deleted at Commons. The image is also blurrier than the previous one, and although it depicts a fantastical event described in the play, it is not an image of a performance of the play. It is therefore an inferior image to the prior one. --EncycloPetey (talk) 22:27, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

• The best image for this card - is this, or this. But they're not under a free license at the moment. So the best image "general" in my opinion is the first edition. I've added it. NoFrost (talk) 14:35, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

  The title page of a collected works is not the best page for illustrating a specific play. The title page names the play, but that is all. --EncycloPetey (talk) 16:07, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

• Unfortunately, no photos have been preserved 421 BC. The drawings of the first production on vases that I showed are not yet available. Therefore, the first edition is one of the most neutral images. There was a very large number of different plays - so choosing any one of them will be a violation of the neutral point of view. NoFrost (talk) 16:12, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

  You did not understand what I wrote. The image of the editio princeps of the collected works is not an image relevant to this specific play. The lack of photos from 421 BC is a straw man argument. Commons is not Wikipedia, and has no NPOV policy. Please stop trying to impose Wikipedia standards on a different project. Each Wikiproject has their own policies and guildeleines. The policies of one project have no relevance to the policies of another project. In any case, the choice of image has nothing to do with any point of view. --EncycloPetey (talk) 17:09, 28 July 2020 (UTC)