Wikidata:Property proposal/Israeli Opera site person id

The Israeli Opera person ID

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Person

Done: The Israeli Opera person ID (heb) (P11343) (Talk and documentation)

Description	identifier for a person on The Israeli Opera website
Represents	The Israeli Opera site (Q111507771)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	human (Q5)
Allowed values	[1-9]\d*
Example 1	Dan Ettinger (Q1159060) value in Hebrew 195
Example 2	Alon Harari (Q28808085) value in Hebrew 966
Example 3	Gabi Sadeh (Q16131624) value in Hebrew 183
Example 4	Ira Bertman (Q58652151) value in Hebrew 185
Example 5	Daniella Lugassy (Q6803369) value in Hebrew 1625
Example 6	Yoav Talmi (Q2918939) value in Hebrew 2232
Example 7	Vivian Tierney (Q24851963) value in Hebrew 2599
Example 8	Kent Nagano (Q819447) value in Hebrew 3110
Example 9	Lena Fraifeld (Q111508232) value in Hebrew 5501
Source	https://www.israel-opera.co.il/?CategoryID=181
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd] • [en.wikt] • [fr.wikt].
Planned use	he/wiki template - תבנית:פרופילי קולנוענים-מוזיקאים
Number of IDs in source	more then 1,500 According to the mix'n'mach 1523
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URL	https://www.israel-opera.co.il/?CategoryID=181&ArticleID=$1
Robot and gadget jobs	Will be added manually by users from he.wiki
Applicable "stated in"-value	The Israeli Opera site (Q111507771)

Motivation

Israeli Opera (Q7210646) is the principal opera company of Israel. The Israeli Opera site (Q111507771) including classical music (Q9730) filed: directors, choreographers, conductors, sopranos, baritones, mezzo-soprano, tenors, costume designers, dancers, Piano players, Viola players etc.

notice

there are different links to id in Hebrew and English

(Hebrew) link https://www.israel-opera.co.il/?CategoryID=181&ArticleID=$1

(English) link https://www.israel-opera.co.il/eng/?CategoryID=263&ArticleID=$1

Geagea (talk) 22:53, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Support as of now, the property proposal covers only Hebrew pages; since probably they contain more information, it seems reasonable to connect only them as of now. --Epìdosis 11:08, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Epì, I wonder, maybe it is possible to use Formatter URL like in The Peerage person ID (P4638).

Formatter URL: https://www.israel-opera.co.il/$1 so we can use Hebrew and English id's. For example:

Dan Ettinger (Q1159060):

id for the Hebrew link: ?CategoryID=181&ArticleID=195

id for the English link: eng/?CategoryID=263&ArticleID=220

Geagea (talk) 22:56, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It could be, probably. @ArthurPSmith: for https://wikidata-externalid-url.toolforge.org/. --Epìdosis 22:59, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Geagea, Epìdosis: What Geagea proposes doesn't require the external-id formatter, but if you want to shorten the id's then that would be an option too - for example 'he:195' vs 'en:220' perhaps? ArthurPSmith (talk) 14:43, 11 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@ArthurPSmith: you are right. I would support shortening, it seems much better (e.g. The Cardinals of the Holy Roman Church ID (P7619)). --Epìdosis 14:52, 11 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I support this but how you are making the magic? Geagea (talk) 15:01, 11 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Writing some php code :) ArthurPSmith (talk) 15:07, 11 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

We will be able to use this "magic" in wikipedia in easy way? if yes, I am ok with this. - yona b (talk) 06:30, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support for the reasons above. בורה בורה (talk) 02:57, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support Effib (talk) 12:10, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support for all of the reasons above.לוכסן (talk) 17:25, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support Created mix'n'match catalogs 5267 and 5268 --Gerwoman (talk) 18:34, 12 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Huh, I hadn't thought about this carefully when I commented before. Since the ID's are completely different for the Hebrew and English pages I think we need two property proposals here. I don't think there's any fiddling you can do with formatter URL's to fix the problem of having two different ID's for the same person. ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:12, 17 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
What about my idea above (The Peerage person ID (P4638)). Geagea (talk) 11:35, 30 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. I don't see any benefit to forcing them into a single property. - Nikki (talk) 22:15, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I've removed the ready status because this proposal does not seem to be ready. The formatter URL is specific to the Hebrew pages, but the name and description are not. The formatter URL in the proposal does not work for all of the examples in the proposal. - Nikki (talk) 22:15, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Nikki, Epìdosis, ArthurPSmith:, in your opinion which would be the best way to solve it. first option to use formatter URL (P1630) and the id would be "?CategoryID=181&ArticleID=$1" or "eng/?CategoryID=263&ArticleID=$1" which doesn't look very nice. or to create new property for the English (already have different mix'n'match catalogs 5267 and 5268)? Geagea (talk) 14:06, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]