Wikidata:Property proposal/Steam Deck compatibility rating

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Steam Deck compatibility rating

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Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Creative work

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Descriptionofficial rating used to determine which games, as a result of the review process, are compatible with Steam Deck and which are not
RepresentsSteam Deck compatibility rating (Q117413403)
Data typeItem
Domainvideo game (Q7889)
Allowed valuesverified (Q117413402), playable (Q117413405), unsupported (Q117413406), unknown (Q117413407),
Example 1Portal 2 (Q279446) → verified (Q117413402)
Example 2Counter-Strike (Q163628) → playable (Q117413405)
Example 3Cruelty Squad (Q107414067) → unsupported (Q117413406)
SourceSteamDB
Planned useused as a qualifier on Steam application ID (P1733)
Number of IDs in source70,448 (number of games on Steam)
Expected completenessalways incomplete (Q21873886)
Single-value constraintyes
Distinct-values constraintno
Wikidata projectWikiProject Video games (Q8485882)

Motivation

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This would help improving our coverage of Steam games and would be very useful information to Steam Deck owners--Trade (talk) 04:45, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

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Notified participants of WikiProject Video games--Trade

Dead Space (Q729074)
compatible with
Normal rank Steam Deck edit
has characteristic verified
1 reference
Steam application ID 17470
stated in Steam (Q337535)
retrieved 11 November 2024
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Unfortunately, however, we still don't have inverse property for those games that are not compatible with Steam Deck. See this proposal. It was rejected for unknown reason, although it has my support vote and the property creation criteria were quite met (oppose votes were addressed). Perhaps we should reopen it? Regards Kirilloparma (talk) 02:45, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I would prefer this, so I think we should repropose incompatible with. -wd-Ryan (Talk/Edits) 02:51, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You would not need to reopen the proposal if we had a dedicated property Trade (talk) 13:13, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Not to mention it would make query for ratings much easier Trade (talk) 13:46, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Well, you have mentioned in this proposal that you plan to use the property as a qualifier for the main Steam application ID (P1733) property, I don't think it will make it much easier to query ratings, since there is no difference between the current schema and schema of this proposal, qualifiers are used in both cases. By the way, here is the exact query for the current schema:
#title:Video game items with Steam Deck "verified" rating
SELECT DISTINCT ?video_game ?item ?statement WHERE {
  ?item (wdt:P31/(wdt:P279*)) wd:Q7889;
  p:P8956 ?statement.
  FILTER(EXISTS { ?statement pq:P1552 wd:Q117413402. })
  SERVICE wikibase:label {
    bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "[AUTO_LANGUAGE],en".
    ?item rdfs:label ?video_game.
  }
}
ORDER BY (UCASE(STR(?video_game)))
Video game items with Steam Deck "verified" rating
or
#title:Video game items with Steam Deck "playable" rating
SELECT DISTINCT ?video_game ?item ?statement WHERE {
  ?item (wdt:P31/(wdt:P279*)) wd:Q7889;
  p:P8956 ?statement.
  FILTER(EXISTS { ?statement pq:P1552 wd:Q117413405. })
  SERVICE wikibase:label {
    bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "[AUTO_LANGUAGE],en".
    ?item rdfs:label ?video_game.
  }
}
ORDER BY (UCASE(STR(?video_game)))
Video game items with Steam Deck "playable" rating
Regards Kirilloparma (talk) 04:05, 12 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
A rating is not the same as a quality Trade (talk) 13:52, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Agree with the others that this feels too specific − we would not want a property for every piece of hardware (see eg what MobyGames has for gamepads or joysticks.) Also, we definitely have an established modelling scheme for this, and the proposal was not making a case for what was the problem with it − thanks Kirilloparma for explaining it. I think we can repropose “incompatible with”, in a way that addresses the concerns raised in the last proposal. (for example, we can mandate a citation needed constraint on it, with the assumption that if the incompatibility is discussed in a source it must be somewhat notable). (An alternative that came to mind − having “compatbility status with” instead to cover both compatibility and incompatibility (using qualifiers) ; but probably repurposing the existing property would be (rightly) frowned upon. Jean-Fred (talk) 14:04, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    A better comparison would be with the various video game rating properties such as ESRB, Pegi and etc. Just with compatibility instead of age suitability Trade (talk) 14:41, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Sure, but the difference to me would be − how many rating systems are there in the world? We currently have 20 properties under Wikidata property representing video game content ratings (Q104775940), and I assume we got most of them. Meanwhile, there are dozens upon dozen of pieces of hardware. Jean-Fred (talk) 08:21, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Oppose. Well, after some reflection, I'm still of the opinion that we should try to reopen discussion for the inverse property. The current proposal doesn't really explain what the problem with the current scheme is. It's also worth noting that many have pointed out here that the proposal feels too specific. Regards Kirilloparma (talk) 02:46, 2 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I honestly still can't understand from the very beginning of the discussion what the problem with the current scheme is? What exactly is not working right now and what needs/could be improved? Regards Kirilloparma (talk) 05:31, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
There are tens of thousands of Steam games that are compatible with the Deck yet have never received a Steam Deck Compatability rating by Valve. A game receiving a rating vs. a game being compatible with the Deck are two completely different concepts that are being conflated thanks to using a generic property.--Trade (talk) 02:25, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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