Wikidata:Property proposal/Thesaurus Linguae Aegyptiae text witness ID

‎Thesaurus Linguae Aegyptiae text witness ID

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Creative work

   Not done

Description	identifier of a concrete witnessed text on a textual artefact/object in the Thesaurus Linguae Aegyptiae (a lemmatized corpus of Ancient Egyptian texts)
Represents	text (Q234460)?
Data type	External identifier
Domain	individual copy of a work (Q114055128), text witness (Q61963396), version, edition or translation (Q3331189), inscription (Q1640824), manuscript (Q87167), ?text (Q234460); Egyptian (Q50868)
Allowed values	[a-zA-Z0-9\-_]+
Example 1	Hieratic copy of the Teaching of Amenemhat I (Q116243657)→(not yet in TLA)
Example 2	Book of the Dead of Iuefankh Cyperus papyrus (Q117398419)→2QALUJ63IVGS5M3OOMR3QQGZIU
Example 3	Book of the Dead of Iuefankh Cyperus papyrus (Q117398419)→3756ZSABFVBYDED4YZZPYCKWEE
Example 4	Prisse Papyrus (Q1632596)→KI7QRD7K55C6PJRUN5AFW6OFLI
Example 5	Prisse Papyrus (Q1632596)→DKAFDVSXYFADJDS3Z3AOISAP4U
Source	https://thesaurus-linguae-aegyptiae.de/info/text-corpus
Planned use	To support LOD in the realm of Egyptian texts, we would like to link Wikidata entries of concrete copies of Ancient Egyptian texts to TLA via the requested property.
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URL	https://thesaurus-linguae-aegyptiae.de/text/$1
See also	Thesaurus Linguae Aegyptiae object ID (P12185), Thesaurus Linguae Aegyptiae textual work ID (P12186)
Applicable "stated in"-value	Thesaurus Linguae Aegyptiae (Q122748326)
Distinct-values constraint	yes
Wikidata project	WikiProject Ancient Egypt (Q10640407)

Motivation

In the realm of texts, the TLA differentiates between three concepts:

• textual artifacts/objects (Thesaurus Linguae Aegyptiae object ID (P12185)), potentially containing more than one text (e.g., Papyrus Prisse)
• abstract textual works (Thesaurus Linguae Aegyptiae textual work ID (P12186)), potentially witnessed in different copies/versions (e.g., (i) The Teachings of Ptahhotep, (ii) The Teachings for Kagemni)
• concrete written texts, potentially copies/versions of an abstract textual work (e.g., (i) the copy/version of The Teachings of Ptahhotep on Papyrus Prisse, (ii) the copy/version of The Teachings for Kagemni on Papyrus Prisse).

This proposal concerns the third concept (concrete written instances of texts), as represented in the Thesaurus Linguae Aegyptiae. --Dwer (talk) 14:21, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Discussion

•  Comment It's good to link existing wikidata items, but can you explain why there are two identifiers for the same item in several of your examples? Does the item actually correspond to the thing identified, or are we missing a layer of meaning here? ArthurPSmith (talk) 20:52, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

   Comment @ArthurPSmith: This is because there are no ancient Egyptian entries of type individual copy of a work (Q114055128) or text witness (Q61963396) or version, edition or translation (Q3331189), which are concrete texts/text versions, but only entries of type inscription (Q1640824) or manuscript (Q87167), which are objects and concrete texts/text versions at the same time. The latter objects, however, sometimes contain more that one text (these are the examples above). --Dwer (talk) 11:00, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

•  Not done, no support for the proposed property. Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 16:30, 5 March 2024 (UTC)