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editHello, can you please add your sources to Józef Gawlina? Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 14:28, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
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- Thanks Bob, done. Incidentally, the Ashfield mock-up station is actually very recent and has its own article here, West Ashfield tube station.--Po Mieczu (talk) 00:41, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
- In the light of the above, I have rejigged the tense of that bit a little. I also found a bit more about the Piccadilly line offices on the English Heritage site. Cheers. Bob1960evens (talk) 16:40, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
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editNice. Through for now it still stays at C-class, since B-class for WP:POLAND requires full density for inline refs. But it reads better now! Thanks for helping out! --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:07, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
Nice article. I'd encourage you to nominate it at WP:GAN for a GA-level review! --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:10, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
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editI agree that Evangelical is a horrible translation of "evangelisch", but Evangelical Lutheran is worse, because in Germany, many are United. I prefer Protestant. However, the German church gave itself the misleading English name, - what can we do? If you have too much time study the many futile discussions on the article talk. I have better things to do ) ----Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:11, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
- Hello Gerda Arendt. Nice to hear from you! I so agree, we have other fish to fry. I only did it because I corrected the Evangelical Cemetery, Vilnius. I suppose they reverted that too. I haven't had time to look. Best wishes, --Po Mieczu (talk) 17:27, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
- In Vilnius, things seem to be different, and "Lutheran" might be the term to use, vs. Calvinists. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:59, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
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editI assume you've asked about [1] edit by User:Sphilbrick. It would be best to ask him (hence I pinged him) but I assume he has concerns over some content that might have been copied from that page? See WP:COPYPASTE. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:51, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you for this. I think it's sorted. The problem arose because I had used slightly altered (not copypaste) material from another Wikipedia article, Polish Hunting Dog which turned out to have an extant copyright violation in its History section, not picked up since 2007! Obviously, I had no idea it was so. I explained this to who told me about "rollback" which had resulted in the reverting of all the many edits that followed. I have re-edited the "offending" section and reverted the revert. I have left it to User:Sphilbrick to deal with the old violation in the dog article. Kind regards, --Po Mieczu (talk) 03:03, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
- Po Mieczu, Yes I believe this is sorted out now. S Philbrick(Talk) 13:58, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks User:Sphilbrick for the message and pushing me up the learning curve. Hmm., more vigilance in future. --Po Mieczu (talk) 00:54, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
- Po Mieczu, Yes I believe this is sorted out now. S Philbrick(Talk) 13:58, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
- Nice work on the Szlachta article... Took article to higher level... - Exxess (talk) 06:43, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you for your appreciation, Exxess. I believe we are but half-way to a decent article, so there is more to be done! Best wishes, --Po Mieczu (talk) 13:32, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
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Margravate or Margraviate? Creeping neologism
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In relation to historic states in the Holy Roman Empire, there are a number of articles titled, e.g. Margravate of Meissen and then others titled, e,g. Margraviate of Brandenburg. The OED lists "Margravate" as the territory ruled by a Margrave. This is the historical and primary form in English of the German translation. If there is already an established word, Margravate, is it not confusing to introduce another expression, "Margraviate" for the same territorial definition by adding an "i", making it a secondary form? Moreover, in the case of Brandenburg, there is a map that refers to the "Margravate of Brandenburg", even though the article is called as above. The secondary form appears to stem from the adjective, "Margravial" and seems to be an unnecessary Neologism.
I would like to suggest that in the interests of uniformity and precision the original English form of "Margravate" be applied throughout on en.wikipedia. Where can we discuss this? Thank you. --Po Mieczu (talk) 00:57, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
- I'd probably start by asking at the talk page for the Manual of Style, WT:MOS.331dot (talk) 01:41, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you, 331dot (talk). Done. --Po Mieczu (talk) 02:20, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
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- Sadly, I have to agree with the delete votes: the journal fails Wikipedia:Notability (academic journals). Not all academic journals are notable. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 22:02, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
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- Hi Po Mieczu, Greetings. Pls note that List article do need independent reliable sources just like any other articles - pls see Wikipedia:Stand-alone lists. Once you have provided the inline citations than submit the draft for review. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 07:37, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
- Hello CASSIOPEIA, thank you for pointing it out. I was hoping others would help in the task as I can ill afford the time on screen. Anyway, I have done it. Now I really must have lunch!. Regards, --Po Mieczu (talk) 15:20, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
- Hi Po Mieczu, Saw your inline citations and they are good. I also notice the discussion between you and another reviewer on Talk:Kresy. "List of people from Kresy" would be a better fitted name. You could resubmit it and I could review and change the name for you if you like. Just ping me. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 02:52, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
- Hello CASSIOPEIA, thank you for your appraisal. Another editor has moved the piece into the mainspace. His view is that "List of people from Kresy" would not be correct in this context. However, there is a case for creating a category with that title. I do not know how to do that. The advantage of the category would be that, as long as it was confined to pre-1945, it could assemble members of all the diverse communities that inhabited the macro region. Kind regards, --Po Mieczu (talk) 10:33, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
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editDrafts should not be forced on people, I think this is fine for the mainspace, much better sourced than most other lists I've seen. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:22, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
- Hi Piotrus Greetings, When I move to draft it was no a source to be found and that was the reason for the moved - pls see [ https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Kresy-born_Poles&diff=prev&oldid=900374882&diffmode=source]. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 13:26, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
- @CASSIOPEIA: No biggie, but I don't think the policies actually support userfication like that? It's one thing with new editors, but when someone is more experienced... of course, it is probably preferable to some deletion process. As long as it is all fine now, then it's all good, eh? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 13:36, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
- Hi Piotrus, Would not want to send it to AfD, the article just needed sources as most editors do not aware stand alone lists need sources to support the content claimed just like any articles - see WP:STAND. It is all good Piotrus and thank you for the message above. Cheers. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 13:47, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
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- It would be helpful to know which particular edit was allegedly a copyright infringement. Anyway, I have now discovered it was a translation I made from the original article on pl.wikipedia and have accordingly made an additional Interwikilink in the history of the article on Aniela Pawlikowska which already had a language link to the original article.--Po Mieczu (talk) 12:39, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
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- @Blythwood: Hello Blythwood, Blythwood (talk)
- Thank you for the review and finding the Spanish connection I did not know existed. Thanks also for the doi and movements. I have done the in line refs and added ISBNs. Her extant colleagues and others will be pleased. I may be able to dig out an old snap of her. She was tiny. --Po Mieczu (talk) 19:10, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
Paddington Green Children's Hospital
editHi - Please can you add citations to each of the people in the notable staff section you have added - as required by WP:V, WP:CITE and WP:RS. Thanks. Dormskirk (talk) 20:45, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
- Now done but please ensure you included citations in future edits. Thanks. Dormskirk (talk) 21:01, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
- Hello Dormskirk (talk), I really appreciate your kind service. You are right. Thank you and Season's greetings.--Po Mieczu (talk) 22:12, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
- Season's greetings to you too. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 23:22, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
- Hello Dormskirk (talk), I really appreciate your kind service. You are right. Thank you and Season's greetings.--Po Mieczu (talk) 22:12, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
I've added a tag to J. W. T. Redfearn regarding tone: it reads a bit too laudatory and familiar, when it should be dispassionate and neutral ("proud Yorkshireman" and "profound struggle" are subjective). It reads like an article written by friends and colleagues of Redfearn: I suggest paring back reliance on obituaries, and extracting just the facts, not the chummy tone. Close paraphrasing of Thomson 2012 should also be scrutinized and avoided. (talk) 19:01, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
- Hello --Animalparty!. I've made it less "chummy". Would you like to see if in your opinion it passes muster? Thanks.--Po Mieczu (talk) 19:15, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
- I've made it even less so. It can still use work, but I've removed the tag. Note also that subjects should generally be referred to only by surname after first mention, per MOS:SURNAME. Cheers, --Animalparty! (talk) 19:30, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you for the tutoring!--Po Mieczu (talk) 20:02, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
- I've made it even less so. It can still use work, but I've removed the tag. Note also that subjects should generally be referred to only by surname after first mention, per MOS:SURNAME. Cheers, --Animalparty! (talk) 19:30, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
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editThat of course is an invalid argument, but 1) per WP:LEAD, this content may belong in body, not in the lead per possible issues with WP:UNDUE and 2) from [2] "prekursorki feminizmu" - precursor of feminism is probably not exactly the same as a " proto-feminist". I suggest you restore it with the better (direct) translation in the article's body, not lead. Also, the best place to discuss this is article's talk, where you can ping me. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 14:00, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
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editCould you please clarify how I could help? Would you like me to copy-edit the article? Or insert your translations from the French (where are they now?)?
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editPo, why isn’t Loyola College in Chennai, India listed in the list of prominent Jesuit organizations? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk • contribs) 03:08, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
- Hello Vikramjairam, thank you for your pertinent question. I think it's because after a surge of editing years ago, Jesuit themed pages have been somewhat abandoned. With more interest now, your point has a good chance of being included. Kind regards, --Po Mieczu (talk) 11:48, 6 May 2020 (UTC). In fact, Vikramjairam, it is listed if you go into Society of Jesus and then There is also a photograph.--Po Mieczu (talk) 12:01, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
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editThank you for your recent articles, including St Andrew Bobola Church, Hammersmith, which I read with interest. When you create a new article, can you add the WikiProject assessment templates to the talk of that article? See the talk page of the article I mentioned for an example of what I mean. Usually it is very simple, you just add something like {{WikiProject Keyword}} to the article's talk, with keyword replaced by the associated WikiProject (ex. if it's a biography article, you would use WikiProject Biography; if it's a United States article, you would use WikiProject United States, and so on). You do not have to rate the article if you do not want to, others will do it eventually. Those templates are very useful, as they bring the articles to a WikiProject attention, and allow them to start tracking the articles through Wikipedia:Article alerts and other tools. For example, WikiProject Poland relies on such templates to generate listings such as Article Alerts, Popular Pages, Quality and Importance Matrix and the Cleanup Listing. Thanks to them, WikiProject members are more easily able to defend your work from deletion, or simply help try to improve it further. Feel free to ask me any questions if you'd like more information about using those talk page templates. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:38, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
- Hello Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus. Thank you for the assessment guidance. I try to do it when I start an article, but as I don't have a handle on the arborescence, it's a bit hit and miss. So for example I have just done a major re-edit on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_in_England_and_Wales#Polish_Catholic_immigration, but I would not know how to alert the WikiProject about a section in a broader article. Anyway, let me know what you think. My next few challenges are Józef Gawlina, whom I rather abandoned and Polish Catholic Mission both of which require expansion and improvement. Thank you as ever.--Po Mieczu (talk) 14:24, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
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Edward Weld
editI hope it is clear that instead of creating "Edward Weld (of Lulworth)" you should have gone to the entry for "Edward Weld", which was redirecting to the middle of "Maria Fitzherbert", and replaced the redirect code with the your biography of Edward Weld. Bmclaughlin9 (talk) 12:53, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
- Well exactly, Bmclaughlin9, if you know how. It was also redirecting to the terrible Weld-Blundell Family page and to Thomas Weld (Cardinal) and it was doing my head in. Anyway, all's well that ends well as Anthony Appleyard kindly put it right.--Po Mieczu (talk) 19:48, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
Weld family
editThe Weld family article before you edited it had several people named Weld with no clear connection to the Boston Welds. Rather than try to rationalize the article by putting them in chronological order, I think it makes much more sense to remove them entirely. If there is some demonstrable and reasonably close relationship, that can be mentioned without incorporating multiple paragraphs of text about them. --Macrakis (talk) 23:05, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
- Hello Macrakis (talk), I tend to agree with you. Apart from the huge glitch dealt by site maintenance, the article was already higgledy piggledy, with a tinge of self-promotion from the English Weld side. The original Welds, as I put in the lead, are an English family going back to the Duke of Mercia (12th c.) and the American Welds are obviously descended from them, but we don't know precisely how, as one editor put it, unless a 16th c. genealogy comes to light. What we know is that the Boston Welds were probably Protestant and the English Welds, mainly Catholic. The Irish Welds came back from America and then on back to England, but they are still Protestants. Essentially, there are two sets of Welds. So maybe call the American Welds (American) and the English Welds (English). What do you think?--Po Mieczu (talk) 00:34, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
Perhaps of interest
editI just stumbled upon a useful book that can be used to add information on places notable Poles are buried in UK: [3]. I don't have the book, only online snippets, but perhaps you may live in a location where you could get a copy and expand related articles? (I live in Korea, no chance of finding it here). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:36, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
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- DGG, I cannot find the speedy deletion tag to which you refer. Can you please guide me to it? In any event, I have added material to the article with citations. The subject of the article, albeit perhaps less notable than some of his ancestors and descendants, was involved in two unusual legal interventions in Georgian England and is a member of a highly notable family. While I understand your urge to keep Wikipedia free of dross, this action comes across as precipitate. For your information, I have created upwards of 100 articles and improved many more in several languages, but I generally take heed of helpful advice.--Po Mieczu (talk) 19:53, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
- the tag was removed by another editor--it's now at AfD. As usual, when people here disagree about an article, the right thing is to let the community decide. DGG ( talk ) 04:32, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
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editThanks for this. Any chance you could add some references to this article? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 15:39, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
- Hello Prokonsul, good to hear from you. I have put in three for starters. Kind regards. Po Mieczu (talk) 16:07, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
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- Thank you for the tip, MatthewVanitas. I'm not sure how to upload straight onto Wikipedia. It may be obvious, but I need a steer, please. Regards. Po Mieczu (talk) 09:48, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
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