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June 30

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[Closed] Sweden wins UEFA European Under-21

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UNILATERALLY OPPOSED
I must close this before there will be more !oppose votes. --George Ho (talk) 05:04, 1 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2015 UEFA European Under-21 Championship (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Sweden wins the 2015 UEFA European Under-21 Championship final against Portugal after a penalty shootout. (Post)
News source(s): [1], [2],[3]
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Article updated
 BabbaQ (talk) 23:32, 30 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Youth tournaments do not do well here, primarily because they are not the top level of the sport. Can you explain why this should be an exception? 331dot (talk) 23:36, 30 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Well, the tournament are not like just a few years back. It has grown in popularity, and is hosted like a regular European Championship nowadays. Reported on world wide. I would say that it is beyond "just a youth tournament", several players in Portugals team are already top players and so are the swedish. Some of the portugese players have contracts worth more than 100 million dollars etc. Most of the players in both teams could just as well already play for their respective national teams.--BabbaQ (talk) 23:46, 30 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Some of the portugese players contracts worth more than 100 million dollars [sic]. I highly doubt any Portuguese footballers in their early twenties are currently earning roughly the same amount as Messi and Ronaldo. Feel free to source it though. Fuebaey (talk) 02:11, 1 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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[Posted] 2015 Indonesian military plane crash

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Article: 2015 Indonesia Hercules C-130 crash (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least 141 people are killed when a Lockheed C-130 Hercules crashes into a residential area of Medan, Indonesia. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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Article updated

 The Rambling Man (talk) 13:35, 30 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[Closed] Kobanî → June 2015 Kobanî attack

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--George Ho (talk) 07:14, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

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I did nominate the article, June 2015 Kobanî attack, for deletion. Consensus unilaterally opposed. The current blurb is "ISIL forces attack the Syrian city of Kobanî, killing more than 140 civilians." To make up my blunder at AFD, I propose modifying it into "ISIL forces attack the Syrian city of Kobanî, killing more than 140 civilians." The stand-alone article about the massacre has improved since I quickly withdrew the nomination. I welcome your opinions please. --George Ho (talk) 09:46, 30 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

WP:ERRORS is the best destination for requests to modify blurbs that are already on the main page. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:07, 30 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
How is this an error? This is a proposal. --George Ho (talk) 10:08, 30 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
You know what? I'm going to propose this at the Errors section, even when it looks like forum shopping. --George Ho (talk) 10:17, 30 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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June 29

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  • A robot kills a man, who was a contractor, at a Volkswagen production plant in Baunatal, Germany. Spokesman Heiko Hillwig said the 22-year-old victim was part of a team that was setting up the robot when it grabbed and crushed him against a metal plate. The death was preliminarily attributed to human error, rather than any issue with the robot itself; prosecutors are contemplating whether to charge anybody. (MSN)
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[Closed] Donald Trump NBC

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UNILATERALLY OPPOSED:

Nevertheless, if you want to vote !support, feel free to revert closure. The nature of the story makes the posting unlikely though. --George Ho (talk) 23:02, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

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Articles: Miss Universe (talk · history · tag) and Miss USA (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  NBC and Univision cancels airing of Miss Universe and Miss USA after the owner Donald Trump is fired from NBC for derogatory comments about Mexican immigrants. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Donald Trump is fired by NBC after making derogatory comments about Mexican immigrants.
News source(s): [4], [5], [6]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
 BabbaQ (talk) 21:32, 29 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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[Posted] RD: Josef Masopust

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Article: Josef Masopust (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Sports Illustrated Reuters Česká televize
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Accomplished Czech footballer and coach who led his team to the 1962 World Cup final. Generally considered to have been the best Czech football player of all time. Voted European Footballer of the Year in 1962. Kudzu1 (talk) 15:03, 29 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • support - top player. RD is appropriate.--BabbaQ (talk) 21:54, 29 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality – inadequate presentation of career, and a massive unsourced section. It's a shame that due to recentism, players of this calibre go unnoticed to editors, while ten-a-penny disposable and forgettable current players get pristine articles. Ho hum '''tAD''' (talk) 06:07, 30 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: voted top player in Europe. I have also tried to improve the article re: the concerns mentioned above. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 09:30, 30 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support meets notability, and article seems acceptable. Zwerg Nase (talk) 10:37, 30 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose certainly notable, but the article is full of hagiography so needs work. E.g., phrases like "was an indispensable player", "The only flaw in his capabilities came from...", " a workhorse of his team, who toiled away in obscurity crafting and building fresh attacks for the front line", "he made up for this deficit with massive reserves of stamina and pace, allowing him to be a tireless engine", "Many of his Dukla teammates also played for the national team, which gave them a greater understanding than many of their opponents." etc etc need real work. Also, basics like formatting "their national olympic football team" correctly, avoiding raw URLs, using reliable sources (is "national-football-teams.com" reliable? And "eu-football.info"? They may be, but I'd like to see evidence of that). The Rambling Man (talk) 19:34, 30 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: It appears the hagiography has been pared down and sound references are now in place. Is this ready to post? -Kudzu1 (talk) 15:33, 1 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    What about the sourcing concerns? The Rambling Man (talk) 20:24, 1 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: He played at two World Cups, losing one final, but never won it. If the article suggested he won two World Cups, it needs copyediting, so it can be clear to any reader '''tAD''' (talk) 19:00, 4 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Looks plenty clear to me. I'm sure George Ho just misspoke. -Kudzu1 (talk) 19:01, 4 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
My bad. At least he performed well in the Cups. George Ho (talk) 19:07, 4 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] Hisham Barakat assassinated

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Article: Hisham Barakat (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Hisham Barakat, Egypt's top prosecutor, is assassinated in a bombing. (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera BBC
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Egypt's Prosecutor General Hisham Barakat was killed today in Cairo in a car bomb. Al Jazeera The death of such a high rank official is a rare event, so, I propose adding Hisham Barakat to the RD section. Egypt is currently in a state of instability after the 2013 Egyptian coup d'état. I admit that the article still needs to be expanded but I will leave this task to others who are more knowledgeable about the incident than me. Meno25 (talk) 14:37, 29 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Other sources: BBC News The Guardian Reuters --Meno25 (talk) 15:00, 29 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose: Article is a stub. If Barakat is a very internationally notable figure -- and we have passed over cabinet officials, governors, generals, etc., from many countries for ITN purposes -- then the article doesn't convey it. -Kudzu1 (talk) 15:14, 29 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on article expansion: There is probably a lot more that can be written on him; the BBC article I just added to sources explains he had been involved in the conviction of many Islamic militants following the deposition of the former President, so there's a reason he might have been targetted, that all can fill out the article. Also blurb should mention that there were ~dozen some injured by the blast, though obviously the focus on Barakat's death being key. I note that I'm speaking to this less as being a RD and more as news event that happened to target a notable individual. --15:25, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
    • To follow on PrimeHunter's point Support blurb focusing on the attack/bombing of a national official, and less about the person as a person. --MASEM (t) 15:42, 29 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose RD but support full blurb pending article improvement. It's the assasination of the office holder and not the death of the individual that is the notable story. RD only says somebody died and should only be used for more notable figures. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:32, 29 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb pending article expansion; oppose RD (the incident itself is more notable than the victim). Political assassinations of high-ranking officials are quite rare in Egypt. Fitzcarmalan (talk) 15:54, 29 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb conditional on article improvement. Clearly a significant event. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:18, 29 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb upon article improvement because the death was sudden and unexpected; clearly a notable event. 331dot (talk) 20:14, 29 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb per 331dot.--BabbaQ (talk) 21:35, 29 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb. This would be as if Eric Holder got assassinated. This is the guy who prosecuted Morsi and all those other Muslim Brotherhood guys and got them sentenced to death. Abductive (reasoning) 04:19, 30 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't see that in the article, it would certainly help improve the nomination if that detail was added. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:59, 30 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    Except that Holder is the former AG, while this guy was the current officeholder, right? Has any group claimed responsibility? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 14:11, 30 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    As of 12 hr ago, not yet, but Egyptian officials are certain it is one of the groups aligned with the insurgency going on there. And yes, they did confirm this was a car bomb triggered remotely as Barakat's car drove by, so clearly signs of an assassination attempt. --MASEM (t) 14:22, 30 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Unmarking ready: Article is still a stub, even if the "stub" tag has been removed. It needs substantial expansion before it's ready to post, per the apparent consensus here. -Kudzu1 (talk) 14:56, 1 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

June 28

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[Closed] 2015 Clinton Correctional Facility escape

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Speedy close of good faith nom per WP:SNOW. This is not going to be posted. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:21, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2015 Clinton Correctional Facility escape (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ David Sweat, one of two inmates who escaped from a prison in New York on June 6, is shot and taken into police custody. (Post)
News source(s): New York Times The Guardian BBC CNN
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Nominator's comments: This escape sparked a massive manhunt that has just now, with this story, come to an end, and has been a very high profile story in the United States for some time now. Everymorning talk 22:14, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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[Posted to ongoing] Greek debt crisis

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Article: Greek government-debt crisis (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The European Central Bank announces it will not continue to provide funds to help bail-out Greece from its debt, causing the Greek government to order all banks closed. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Greek government orders all banks closed after the European Central Bank refuses to subsidize further debt bail-outs.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Greece defaults on 1.6 billion euros ($1.8 billion) in loans from the International Monetary Fund.
News source(s): NYTimes
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Nominator's comments: Seeing this appear in a lot of news stories; there might be other events in the week related to the Greek debt but this seems to be significant given the drastic action being taken. MASEM (t) 17:19, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment - "Criticism of Germany's role" section is tagged as undue and non-neutral. Also, the article is tagged as too long and overly detailed. Same for its introduction. Shall there be improvements? George Ho (talk) 17:45, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
On the other hand, oppose blurb, but support ongoing. Modern Greeks haven't been Ancient Greeks for... ten or twenty centuries? Also, the EU is responsible for this. --George Ho (talk) 20:17, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Considering every Greek is limited to 60 bucks a day these days, you might say the sword has already fallen quite significantly for a lot of people. Might be a reason to make this ongoing. Zwerg Nase (talk) 13:08, 29 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The big story will be Grexit: yes or no. If and when such occurs, a separate, succinct article will be needed. (The current target article is a maelstrom of 30,000 words = about 140 pages of typescript. No one is going to read such a bloated, semi-polemical exposition.) Sca (talk) 13:46, 29 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
So what speaks against putting this on ongoing and make a blurb once the Grexit comes? (except for maybe too many references in the article... has one ever seen anything like that before??). Zwerg Nase (talk) 14:42, 29 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strongly support ongoing on topic, oppose this specific article. I think ongoing would clearly be best for the next week at least, and probably more. This is a big deal, coming to a head, and blurbs will have a hard time keeping up. Greek government-debt crisis seems a little too sprawling an article to link to, and is likely to have near-constant edit warring and orange POV tags about who's to blame. Perhaps link to Greek debt crisis timeline#2015 instead, which has the benefits of:
    • Easily and quickly updated
    • Timeline format seems to me to match an "ongoing" section better
    • Will be very clear what new thing happened in the last day or two
    • Won't have to keep changing what section to link to
    • Timeline links to other appropriate articles that go more in depth
    • This page will be much less likely to have POV tags and unstable edit warring
--Floquenbeam (talk) 15:28, 29 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Shouldn't this be a blurb? 108 minutes ago Greece became the first developed country to default on its international obligations. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 23:48, 30 June 2015 (UTC) [7] Remember how huge this was during the heart of the Great Recession? I guess everyone succeeded in dragging this out long enough for the world economy to recover first. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 23:56, 30 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Because none of these were developed? Dragons flight (talk) 23:59, 30 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Don't blame me, blame one of the three headlines that popped up when I Googled Greece default: [8]. One also said first IMF default and maybe they mean something nitpicky like inflating it away doesn't count or only agreements with another sovereign govt. or supernational NGO counts or defaulting only their citizens doesn't count or communists don't count (second world) or if the Industrial Revolution hadn't finished yet in that country it wouldn't count or debt restructuring and anything other than the other side saying "fuck you, not a compromise more" doesn't count or something like that? I'm to lazy to read that article. Really any sovereign nation could just print money to pay back any bond so if true it might just be cause developed countries giving up the ability to print their currency is new. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 01:17, 1 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
First EU country to default on the IMF, not the first country to do so. -- KTC (talk) 10:54, 1 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
CNN says the first developed country period to default on the IMF. I remember the Economist acting like Grexit (or default too?) was unspeakable and loony fringe and by now it seems like Grexit might be the lesser evil for everyone involved. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 12:55, 1 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
PS: AP says banks reopened – hence Altblurb 2 above, in case of need. Sca (talk) 13:05, 1 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's pretty evident by now that this isn't blurb-worthy at this time, and that an "ongoing" post is required. Please, an uninvolved admin, assess this for inclusion at Ongoing. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:25, 1 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted to ongoing It's obvious we need something as this is near the top of most news headlines. We have a bloated NPOV article or a lightweight timeline, so I'm going with the latter in the hopes that more is added. This could be replaced by a full blurb over the weekend as the referendum results become known. Stephen 00:52, 2 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

2014–15 Formula E season

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Article: 2014–15 Formula E season (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In motorsport, Nelson Piquet Jr. (pictured) wins the inaugural Formula E championship. (Post)
News source(s): ITV
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 Mjroots (talk) 16:13, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose I don't really think this is significant enough. A radio presenter on TalkSport had never even heard of it, and thought it might have been a typo. Beyond that, the article has not been updated to reflect the end of the season (tenses etc) nor does it really contain much prose beyond the background stuff. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:17, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Limited coverage of a new event, which likely has not yet attained significant notability. 331dot (talk) 16:36, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support If we post the Tour de Suisse, then this is just as significant. But I might be a little biased, since I enjoy this a lot (enough to produce this GA nominated article, who everyone is welcomed to review btw). Zwerg Nase (talk) 19:54, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    I couldn't stand the sound of the engines. I liked the idea. Is there any real notability, the Suisse tour has history... The Rambling Man (talk) 20:19, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    Notable as the first all-electric world car racing series. Mjroots (talk) 21:58, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    I would also consider that more notable than the 79th edition of a B-class bike race... Zwerg Nase (talk) 22:08, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support The participants are all blue links, and what I saw were pretty well developed articles. I also noted quite a number of nations' flags, and I doubt they ran an entire season of races with nobody watching. Only thing this doesn't have going for it is history, but that could just as easily be read as that this is a significant first. - OldManNeptune ⚓ 23:28, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • The article itself could probably do with expanding. At the moment, it seems to be just tables of result with not much else. Otherwise, I would support posting this. FE is a significant and by indication successful development in the world of motor racing, recognised by the FIA, a world championship of 11 races in 9 different countries. -- KTC (talk) 00:42, 29 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support - I tried watching auto racing, but I'm not amused by it. At least this race is not US-centric as NASCAR. And it's full of racers from all eligible nations, like the US and the UK. I'm pleased to see marginally-notable Tour de Suisse to be on front page. I will be pleased to have this race posted. Hopefully, no remaining issues with the article. George Ho (talk) 01:02, 29 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose the electric cars were identical models, not competing designs. This was more of a publicity stunt than any sort of mature competitive sport. μηδείς (talk) 01:54, 29 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Medeis: there are many motorsport formulae where all drivers have the same car. It allows driver skill over a season to shine through, rather than a more skilled driver having a weaker car. Mjroots (talk) 04:50, 29 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Understood, but one can't have it both ways. The event is portrayed as notable because it features a new class of racing vehicle; but then there's no actual competition between vehicles, since they are identical. It's like a fashion show where all the models wear identical outfits. μηδείς (talk) 16:15, 29 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I don't care whether this is notable enough to be posted but NASCAR hardly has any competition between manufacturers anymore either. If a golf league started with identical nanotube superclubs then it would depend on how notable the league is. It's not surprising that manufacturers don't want to spend money on an arms race when they didn't even known how popular it'll be yet. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 17:22, 29 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose the media coverages of this compared to the other ITN/R series is pretty weak, plus not helped that its a new series and I can't be certain if it will like all other heavily hyped up motorsport series (A1GP, Superleague, GP Masters) in the next 5 years, join them in the new formula graveyard (unlike the ITN motorsport series who have a 50 plus year history) but then I wouldn't really mind it being on ITN since we included the Tour de Suisse, a "B-grade" cycling event and The Boat Race, which is a school boat race consisting of names who we really couldn't really care about. Donnie Park (talk) 12:27, 29 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Conditional support I'd be tempted to support this as an inaugural racing season, but I'd like to see some sort of season summary covering the eleven rounds/standings first (not necessarily as long, but something along the lines of 2014 Formula One season#Season report). At the moment, it's mainly tables and a single sentence update stating the winner. Fuebaey (talk) 02:42, 1 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] RD: Chris Squire

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Article: Chris Squire (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [9] [10] Rolling Stone
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Widely regarded as one of the most influential bass players in rock music, if not the most influential in progressive rock. Floydian τ ¢ 15:30, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support pending article improvements - Was on way to add this as RD. However, article does need some sourcing improvements, and while I don't doubt the statements made, I'd like to see a better source to affirm this, likely will come in the next few hours. --MASEM (t) 15:33, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support pending article improvements nothing to add to Masem. Zwerg Nase (talk) 16:06, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per the above, article has large unreferenced sections which need improvement. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:21, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support on notability; founding member of a well-known band, although never a frontman or a driving creative force. Article has been improved; could probably still use a bit of work, but my eyes are starting to glaze over combing through ancient album reviews and magazine interviews trying to nail down whether he's properly credited on whatever side work he did. -Kudzu1 (talk) 17:06, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose - Notable independently, and article in good shape. Not on top of field, however. Also, no notable songs done in solo or without the band, Yes. We can post a name of a last surviving member or ex-member, but this guy ain't last. George Ho (talk) 19:10, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] SpaceX CRS-7

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Article: SpaceX CRS-7 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ SpaceX CRS-7 fails after the Falcon 9 exploded after launch while carrying the Dragon to the International Space Station (Post)
News source(s): [11][12]
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: This appears to be the standards as a "Launch failure where sufficient details are available to update the article" Winner 42 Talk to me! 15:55, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Removing twitter and replaced it with a CNN source. The press conference is ongoing as I type this, so more reports will be out in an hour or so. Winner 42 Talk to me! 17:04, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Spencer is on vacation until August. George Ho (talk) 22:32, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I added the image for preview, just in case. George Ho (talk) 23:21, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

June 27

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[Posted] Formosa Fun Coast explosion

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Article: Formosa Fun Coast explosion (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A dust explosion at the Formosa Fun Coast (Bali District, Taiwan) injures more than five hundred people. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ More than five hundred people are injured by a dust explosion at the Formosa Fun Coast in Bali District, New Taipei.
Alternative blurb II: ​ A dust explosion at the Formosa Fun Coast (Bali District, Taiwan) results in a fireball, injuring more than five hundred people.
Alternative blurb III: ​ An explosion of coloured corn starch at the Formosa Fun Coast (Bali District, Taiwan) results in a fireball, injuring more than five hundred people.
News source(s): BBC AP CNN
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Article updated

Nominator's comments: Not as tragic as ISIS attacks recently, but this should prompt readers into either carefully using or not using hazardous dusts. George Ho (talk) 05:39, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Corn starch according to BBC[13].My other car is a cadr (talk) 08:41, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
AP calls it "a colored theatrical powder thrown from the stage." Sca (talk) 13:05, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
It's used across the world in events such as The Color Run. But these are usually outdoors and thus pose no risk of explosion. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:41, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
This particular event was outdoor as well[14].My other car is a cadr (talk) 09:48, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I had thought it was in an enclosed area, in front of a stage. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:52, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
You just corrected that? Martinevans123 (talk) 09:38, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Yes.My other car is a cadr (talk) 09:44, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Further improvements might make the article postable? Or are you saying "it's so bad, it's not worth the effort"? Martinevans123 (talk) 09:52, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
How much do you want to bet that some impulsive eternally happy extrovert lit a cigarette or something? Sometimes insight into when extroversion near you is about to be rewarded can save your life. All it takes is one reveler who doesn't read Wikipedia enough to have seen dust explosion (that's easy) and doesn't have the common sense to not think "I'm sure it's non-flammable". But seriously, ability to realize when the extroverts, "well-adjusted", or low IQ around you can force their gene pool corrections on non-brethren is a Darwinian advantage. Extroverteder than average phenotypes aren't rarer than average for nothin'. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 14:34, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure that the huge dancing crowd was over populated with shy retiring introverts, but you never know. And I'd guess that there was no attempt to make safety announcements, or to check for potential ignition points, before the powder was released. But all rather pointless speculation at this stage. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:21, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
You are right that we don't really know what caused this yet. And I guessed that the organizers were that stupid too. If Taiwan Chinese are anything like Mainlanders then their smoking rate is crazy — PRC smoking rates make America's look microscopic. (a Youtube commenter says the crowd was smoking). Even if something else ignited it before a smoker did then that's still an incredibly stupid thing to organize. I'm not sure if you thought I was just name calling without reason (your first sentence) but I wrote extroverts cause they're disproportionately likely to cause these things
WP:NOTFORUM
(extroversion correlates with low IQ which causes people to light flames in dust clouds, put generators or cars near dust parties (if that was the cause), and so on. They aren't good with "left-brain" things like deflagration, are less likely to notice something (like running engines nearby), like to run on instinct, are do first and think later type people, get (impairedly?) high from the fun without even taking psychoactive drugs, and are more likely to be smokers — people that need to light fires all day. The other category I mentioned doesn't react as quickly or strongly to dangerous shit, has unfitly low fear, and imposes their risk and pain tolerance level and insensitivity to being injured on anyone they cause fuel-air explosions near (they'd be really good for living in our crappy war-filled past though — new babies were cheap). These things have all been researched. Also, while I don't care to lose my waterpark virginity now (unless it's exceptional like Atlantis (Bahamas) or something Dubai would make) I still wanted to see one as a kid. So if I had a different mother I could've been hit by the explosion just for watching the strange customs for a second and being to young to know better. So it's not impossible that someone with the brain of a porn star (feelinglessly happy while 10 men are doing degrading things to them) imposed their Darwinianly unfit standards and grievous bodily harm on an introvert. And don't Holi "fights" not use nuclear-sized color loads and have at least as much water throwing as powder throwing? (cause Indian dry season is HOT!) See, details are important. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 19:09, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
This is an odd discourse, I'm not sure how it's helping us determine whether this incident, with over 500 casualties, should or shouldn't be ITN. Sometimes less is more. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:45, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Not wholly convinced about your supposed correlation, e.g. Saklofske and Zeidner (1995). Martinevans123 (talk) 19:51, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I believe Arbcom will render my future correlations irrelevant. Dude diolch. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:13, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sure you're quite mistaken. It's someone else they'll be saying "Hwyl fawr a diolch am yr holl bysgod" to. So not so fast, Monsieur Sark. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:23, 28 June 2015 (UTC) [reply]
I'm not finished yet, although I am working on a Babelfish for baby translations..... Would be very helpful with certain users here.......! The Rambling Man (talk) 20:25, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know what's the situation between you two, but let's either shake hands and resolve this, or just walk away from each other. We can't just bicker each other back and forth. --George Ho (talk) 20:32, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
George, there's no situation, no bickering, nothing. Just a multi-lingual sarcasm festival. Although my invention is still "in the works". Thanks for your comment George, but there's nothing here of note. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:37, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah WTF, George? I've not even called him a sock yet. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:48, 28 June 2015 (UTC) oh yeah, sorry, I did once. [reply]
Oh... my mistake. In this case, take humour elsewhere. The discussion is getting bigger. --George Ho (talk) 20:57, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[Closed] Tupou VI coronation

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Article: Tupou VI (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Tonga begins a traditional 11 day taumafa kava coronation ceremony of King Tupou VI. (Post)
News source(s): (ABC news)
Credits:
 Jenda H. (talk) 16:39, 27 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Support conditional on significant improvements in sourcing and inline citations. A royal succession should be ITN worthy but the article needs work. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:38, 27 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose now. The actual coronation is July 4. We shouldn't keep it in ITN until then and we shouldn't post it twice. Nominate it again later. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:40, 27 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. On the ITNR page it states that coronations are not typically posted; this should have been posted when the King took the throne. 331dot (talk) 02:10, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per above logic. He has been king for three years '''tAD''' (talk) 14:02, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose However, the enthronement was never posted, so I think it would be OK to bend the rules in this case. In all honesty, I think the rules as they are now are probably bad anyway. Having one ITN post dedicated to the death of a royal, and then one more months or years later dedicated to the coronation of his/her successor seems OK to me - otherwise you have to cram both into a single post. And when Charles is crowned, I think we'll have to post that coronation no matter what... Smurrayinchester 14:47, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
You post that you oppose this but your explanation suggests that you support it. Which is it? And why would Charles' coronation be posted when we state that such events are not typically posted(they are posted at the time of the change)? 331dot (talk) 14:49, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
To clarify, I oppose posting the beginning of the 11-day celebration, but support posting the actual coronation when that happens. Smurrayinchester 07:37, 29 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Because, barring a world war or some other mass catastrophe, in all probability Charles' coronation will be the most covered news event globally in whatever year it happens. Guidelines are not carved in stone and do not trump WP:COMMONSENSE on here. If we are reporting major sports events it would seem that royal coronations should be covered. They are certainly far more rare. To the extent that existing guidelines do not reflect this, I would respectfully argue they are wrong. Until that is remedied we can file this under WP:IAR. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:14, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose the article says he has been king for three years. Therefore this coronation is simply de facto. I understand that many other royals are coronated way later than their original appointment, but this one is inexplicable, or at the very least, I can't see the article linked explaining the situation adequately. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:56, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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June 26

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[Posted] SCOTUS rules in favor of same-sex marriages

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Articles: Same-sex marriage in the United States (talk · history · tag) and Obergefell v. Hodges (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Supreme Court rules 5-4 in Obergefell v. Hodges in favor of recognizing same-sex marriage across the United States (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Supreme Court rules 5-4 in favor of recognizing same-sex marriage across the United States
Alternative blurb II: ​ The U.S. Supreme Court rules 5-4 in favor of recognizing same-sex marriage in the United States.
News source(s): NYTimes
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Nominator's comments: While only affecting the US, this has been in the news for a heck of a long time MASEM (t) 14:04, 26 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Contentious side discussion collapsed, per WP:NOTFORUM —David Levy 17:33, 26 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
This is a Supreme Court decision that amounts to a de-facto amendment of the United States Constitution. It's a done deal. There is no appeal. -Ad Orientem (talk) 14:47, 26 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
No, it isn't. 14th amendment - equal protection under the law. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 15:05, 26 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The 14th amendment has been around for nigh on 145 years. When 5 unelected judges suddenly discover it means something no one ever dreamed of until a few years ago, and overthrow 200 years of jurisprudence that says marriage is purely a matter of state law, then YES it is a constitutional amendment by judicial fiat. I have no strong feelings one way or another on the subject of gay marriage. But I have VERY strong feelings on the rule of law. This is simply rule by judicial dictatorship. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:31, 26 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
They were saying the same thing about the Warren court's rejection of white supermacism. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 15:58, 26 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Wrong. The Warren Court never opined on White Supremacism. It reversed previous rulings that contradicted the CLEAR INTENT of the framers of the 14th amendment who wished to confer equal rights as citizens to persons of African decent . Their intent was/is incontrovertible. There is simply no comparrison between Brown v Board of Education and today's ruling. Anyone suggesting the framers of the 14th amendment intended to allow same sex marriage is simply delusional. Once again we are back to five judges making things up to suit their personal prejudices and social/political agenda. In a country that still cared about the rule of law, they would be impeached and removed from office for usurping the constitutional prerogatives of the Congress and the States. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:19, 26 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Regardless of the alleged "clear intent" of the 14th amendment, it says no one can be denied equal protection under the law. As for impeaching, right-wing fanatics were screaming about impeaching Earl Warren for his role in Brown v. Board of Education. This is fundamentally no different. And as for imposing personal opinions ahead of the constitution, if you're going to impeach the five, you have to impeach the other four also. As with the 1950s ruling, this is about denial of equal protection to a particular class of Americans because of who they are. "The people" do not have a constitutional right to restrict the freedoms of others just because they don't like them. The Court affirmed that today. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 16:50, 26 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Rubbish. Legal interpretation is almost always based on legislative intent. The alternative is judicial anarchy since sentiment and feelings (which is what this is about) change like the weather. By your specious reasoning the SCOTUS was wrong yesterday in upholding the ACA since the language of the law clearly said that subsidies can be applied to STATES that set up their own exchanges. But the court ruled (correctly IMO) that it was the CLEAR INTENT of Congress that anyone buying insurance through an exchange, even those set up by the Feds, should be eligible for the Federal subsidies. Your legal reasoning effectively strips the states of the power to regulate marriage or deny anyone a marriage license. Based again on your reasoning (and in all honesty today's court ruling) it would, and likely soon will be, impossible to refuse marriage licenses to polygamists and incestuous applicants. Will we even be able to refuse licenses to children? Are they not a class of people being denied "equal rights?" This is arguably the worst decision on the merits of the law since Roe v Wade and the long term consequences are going to be ugly. The SCOTUS has just opened a very unpleasant can of legal worms. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:32, 26 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
There is an amendment (been 20 years since the last) and we're not going to post all amendments either. Remember who the Republicans brought out in 2004? Hyper-polarized and we're not done yet. Let's see the South start issuing licenses (MS, AS, AL, etc).120.62.27.54 (talk) 14:53, 26 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Amendments to country constitutions for stable countries is a rare thing overall; I would think that any national constitutional change that is not part of a gov't coup or similar situation at this stage would be potentially ITN. --MASEM (t) 15:01, 26 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
(EC) Yes and no. There will no appeals - the Supreme Court is the supreme court, and there's no-one to appeal to. The states may find an imaginative way to rewrite their laws to ban same-sex marriage without breaking the Constitution (a gay rights equivalent of "separate but equal"), but no-one has suggested one so far. Only Ohio, Kentucky, Tennessee, and Michigan (the states involved in the case) lose their bans overnight, but the bans in all other states will be struck down by the courts in those states. Smurrayinchester 14:53, 26 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Legally true, but what practical effect would it have in said places? Gonna be a long time before that happens...120.62.27.54 (talk) 14:56, 26 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
That would be crystal balling. How long the process of legalization will take is anyone's guess, but with the Supreme Court case law it becomes just a matter of time. Smurrayinchester 14:58, 26 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I'm supporting this blurb as it is pretty huge news with likely global implications. That said, it is now very clear which way the pendulum is swinging on the whole LGBT issue, not just in the United States, and I am going to be much more reluctant to support similar blurbs in the future. After this decision future pro-gay moves elsewhere are likely to fall into the "well that's nice" column. Maybe an exception if/when gay marriage is legalized in Saudi Arabia or Russia. Otherwise, it's time to stop giving this subject near automatic ITN attention. -Ad Orientem (talk) 14:43, 26 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The US has the largest market economy - this is the most important country to report on. -- Aronzak (talk) 15:16, 26 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
* Post-posting note: It made French, Dutch, Danish, Swedish, Czech, Polish and even Russian ITNs, too. Sca (talk) 21:18, 26 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[Closed] Saint-Quentin-Fallavier attack

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Article: Saint-Quentin-Fallavier attack (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ France launches terror inquiry after decapitated body found in factory attack. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
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Article updated
 EugεnS¡m¡on(14) ® 13:44, 26 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
That's a pretty poor rationale not to post. We didn't post X so we don't post this. Next. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 14:15, 26 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Single death is poor rationale? So you want to post all single deaths in a day?120.62.27.54 (talk) 14:30, 26 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
My comment about nobody bothering to nominate the 146 Kobani killings is meant to get somebody to do just that. Abductive (reasoning) 15:00, 26 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
So why don't you do it? Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 18:09, 26 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Lugnuts and Abductive: I've already nominated the Kobani attack. Go to June 25 period (around a day or so), perhaps a single blurb noting the attacks in France, Tunisia and Kuwait? Resolute 14:32, 26 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Actually there were four but not all are notable. I was gonna suggest a blurb change but only Tunisia and Kuwait are notable, IMO.120.62.27.54 (talk) 14:37, 26 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I think the French one is too, primarily because of location. And while that may be a case of selection bias (western world vs. places where the average lout "expects" attacks), I would say the ultimate notability here is that Islamists hit three places in three countries at the same time. Particularly if the suspects in France claim ties to ISIS - my local news said that this morning, but I don't think that was confirmed. Resolute 14:59, 26 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Kuwait has far less attacks than France. A lone nut claiming connection to ISIS doesn't mean anything. In Sydney, the attacker had nothing to do with ISIS other than his words and flag that is freely available. Anyways, let's see consensus. Still appears Kuwait and Tunisia have more support.120.62.27.54 (talk) 15:39, 26 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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[Posted] Kuwait bombing

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Article: 2015 Kuwait mosque bombing (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least 25 people are killed in a bombing in Kuwait. (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: A bombing in Kuwait is even more rare than a shooting in the usa or europe. 120.62.27.54 (talk) 12:50, 26 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Now it's big. George Ho (talk) 22:17, 27 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak conditional support: Article needs work. Kuwait has been an island of relative stability in the region for some time, which makes this attack unusual, but considering the neighborhood it's in, it isn't terribly surprising, as tragic as it is. There is also a fairly low death toll. Even still, this is the most significant terror attack in Kuwait in recent years, so I'd lean toward posting...if the article weren't in need of significant improvements before it's front-page ready. If someone can fix the grammatical issues and expand the page with more details, I'm fine with posting. -Kudzu1 (talk) 16:44, 26 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The neighborhood you're talking about is a safe neighborhood, like most of Kuwait's. Old buildings don't mean unsafe neighborhood. The death toll is 27, I don't think that's low at all, considering the last time something as tragic as this happened in Kuwait was actually the Second Gulf War in 1990. --Kuwaity26 (talk) 21:38, 26 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I was referring to its geopolitical neighborhood, i.e. Iraq, Saudi Arabia, etc. -Kudzu1 (talk) 03:40, 27 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Expanded now.120.62.20.8 (talk) 09:17, 27 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] Tunisia attack

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Article: 2015 Sousse attack (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  At least 40 people are killed in an attack on Imperial Marhaba and Soviva five-star hotels in Sousse, Tunisia. (Post)
News source(s): RT
Express
Mirror
The telegraph
The Guardian
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: The wider region maybe viewed as chronically unstable, but specifically to the country not so much. Yes there was a museum attack a few months ago but that's all the more reason for shit going down there and neither is as regular as Syria/Libya.
Likely foreign deaths too 120.62.27.54 (talk) 12:50, 26 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Can someone move the article to "attacks" as there the article cites 2 of them.120.62.27.54 (talk) 12:59, 26 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • NYtimes doesn't say there is 100% a connection but the simultaneous nature, following a few days after a message broadcast to cause havoc during Ramadan, make it highly likely these were. --MASEM (t) 14:21, 26 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
There's no connection and that article is up for deletion.120.62.27.54 (talk) 14:29, 26 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I support the article deletion in AfD - sections of it seemed like promoting quotes of terrorist leaders (which seem to be a very early conclusion to draw). We can merge the three blurbs, but I propose keeping them as separate articles. -- Aronzak (talk) 15:19, 26 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
This works too for me. --MASEM (t) 15:23, 26 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support - Well improved. Though still small, a lot of work has been done. Time for front-page attention please. George Ho (talk) 17:46, 26 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support once the article spends more time talking about the event than the background to it. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:47, 26 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reluctant oppose. This is clearly notable but as the Rambling Man suggests it spends far too much time discussing "background" (or "context") of completely unsourced relevance (i.e. it is not enough to show what is said is true, you need to show it is connected to the attack). A potential ITN item can't use "this is what we know about something else" as a crutch for poor coverage of the nominal subject. Saving the background section the best developed component is the response section. I have slightly more time for that but it is still a bit newsy as opposed to factual. A lack of hard facts is not an excuse to fudge normal editorial standards, even a solid consensus on this page does not grant the authority to ignore the consensus of the whole community in favour of expediency. 3142 (talk)

This is now ready. Its got updates to the attack, victims, aftermath and reactions.120.62.20.8 (talk) 09:15, 27 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Can we post this now that the BBC have shown the first victim as being a young, white female? Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 14:17, 27 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] RD: Yevgeny Primakov

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Article: Yevgeny Primakov (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Independent, ABC News
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former Prime Minister of Russia and noted diplomat. Brandmeistertalk 10:40, 26 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I have commented out the "awards" pending some better sources. I find lists like that to be a general waste of space anyway. If they're actually notable awards, they should be mentioned in the article body, in prose. -Kudzu1 (talk) 18:50, 26 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[Closed] Bristol Palin announces 2nd pregnancy

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Closing per WP:SNOW. Bristol is not important and this is not a celebrity news ticker. 331dot (talk) 08:53, 26 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
If you want to vote "support", undo the closure and then do so. --George Ho (talk) 08:58, 26 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Bristol Palin (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ On her blog, Bristol Palin announces that she's pregnant with her second child. (Post)
News source(s): CNN CBS
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Nominator's comments: It's a top/trending story in Google News and has gotten a lot of media attention.
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June 25

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[Posted] ISIS attacks Kobanî

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Article: Kobanî (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The ISIL forces attack the Syrian city of Kobanî, killing more than 140 civilians. (Post)
News source(s): Daily Star Lebanon BBC AFP via Yahoo
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Part of Syrian Civil War. If one-casualty foiled bombing ain't a big story, this story should be. George Ho (talk) 16:28, 26 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] 'Grandfather' of turtles discovered

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Article: Pappochelys (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ the discovery of a 240-million-year-old ancestor of turtles from southern Germany is announced. (Post)
News source(s): [15] and more
Credits:

 Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 01:27, 26 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • I like the fact that this is encyclopedic science - easily recognisable critter (turtles) loved by kids. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 01:29, 26 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Support (with article improvements) but suggest DYK backup While it is science news, backed by a peer-reviewed paper in science, this feels like it would have much better fit with DKY as a new article. Regardless, the article needs sourcing improvements for front page inclusion if only just to spread out the existing refers a bit more. --MASEM (t) 01:48, 26 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - Too old, I believe. I suggest nominating it for DYK. I can't see the word "June" in this article. George Ho (talk) 03:26, 26 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Reasonably significant scientific discovery. Regarding age - unless I'm misunderstanding what's being said, if we judged science articles based on the time of actual first discovery vs time of publication in mainstream press, we'd never post anything science. If you have dated articles showing this was actually ITN 2 years ago, by all means bring that out, otherwise that sounds purely speculative. - OldManNeptune ⚓ 03:51, 26 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
According to Sci-News, the fossils of this species have been collected since 2006. I guess the scientists announced the species this year. --George Ho (talk) 04:12, 26 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
They may have been collecting the fossils, but for scientific discoveries, we put weight on the publication of a peer-reviewed paper that (reasonably) affirms their findings, and that was just published a few days ago. --MASEM (t) 06:03, 26 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[Closed] King v. Burwell

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Consensus is clearly opposed to posting. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:27, 26 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: King v. Burwell (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In a 6-3 ruling, the Supreme Court of the United States upholds tax subsidies that constitute a key part of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian Los Angeles Times BBC CNN
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Nominator's comments: A very widely anticipated and covered decision pertaining to healthcare for millions of Americans. Everymorning talk 21:06, 25 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I did argue about how US-centric the domestic issues have been, but rules and other people disregard my arguments as unhelpful. Same for you, no offense. George Ho (talk) 21:25, 25 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I am not opposing this because this is a US issue or does not relate to other countries; I oppose because it is a domestic issue with little significance. 331dot (talk) 21:30, 25 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oh... well, Canada has universal health care. I don't know which countries have universal health care, but not it all matters. I don't think there will be Supreme Court cases relating to a universal health care, right? George Ho (talk) 21:35, 25 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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[Closed] RD: Patrick Macnee

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Consensus is clearly opposed to posting. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:25, 26 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Patrick Macnee (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: I'm not sure about this one, but the way my facebook feed has lit up it seems worthy of a nomination. Thryduulf (talk) 20:09, 25 June 2015 (UTC) Thryduulf (talk) 20:09, 25 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - Just one prominent leading role in The Avengers. Well, he portrayed Watson in few Sherlock TV movies, and he even portrayed Sherlock Holmes once. However, nothing else made him as prominent as he appeared to be. --George Ho (talk) 20:16, 25 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Support He was a well known character actor in television and movies. But his professional resume is not exactly stunning. In the end though, a quick mention in RD is cheap. It's the ITN blurbs where we really need to hold the line in standards. Ad Orientem (talk) 20:23, 25 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I don't see how one prominent role makes him "very important" to his field. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:48, 25 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose: Fails RD notability criteria. Another sad loss, but these character actors are generally unlikely to make ITN unless they have some awards or a great deal of notoriety. -Kudzu1 (talk) 23:09, 25 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Another much-loved but largely un-lauded actor with an impressive resume. I can see why he was nominated, but sadly, he doesn't meet the ITN criteria. RIP Steed. Challenger l (talk) 23:27, 25 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Yes, I've seen the way you can handle an umbrella, Count. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:24, 27 June 2015 (UTC) [reply]

[Closed] RD: Nirmala Joshi

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Non-admin snowclose. Consensus appears to be against posting. -Kudzu1 (talk) 23:10, 25 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Nirmala Joshi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [16] [17] [18]
Credits:

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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
 Regards, theTigerKing  03:06, 25 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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June 24

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[Closed] 2015 South Sudan cholera outbreak

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Speedy close without prejudice to renomination if anyone wants to write an article and a blurb, both of which are currently lacking. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:07, 24 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2015 South Sudan cholera outbreak article (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: No blurb specified (Post)
News source(s): http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/06/south-sudan-government-declares-cholera-outbreak-150623133126668.html
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 178.135.80.33 (talk) 16:58, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Is there anything that makes this outbreak significant at all? Discuss-Dubious (t/c) 17:15, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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[Closed] RD: Dick Van Patten

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Clear consensus against posting this. Although, wait... here comes the conflict of interest horse on the outside........ The Rambling Man (talk) 17:51, 24 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Dick Van Patten (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Entertainment Weekly
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Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Long-career television actor, albeit one without any significant awards. RD only for sure, if to be posted. MASEM (t) 15:22, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
While we don't require "top of the field", the relevant criteria here is "very important" to their field(DC2). That needs to be demonstrated. 331dot (talk) 20:51, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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[Closed] Pitcairn Islands allows same-sex marriage

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UNILATERALLY OPPOSED:

A non-administrative closure, but I'm going to close this before there will be similar votes with similar comments. If you want to vote "support", which I might miss out, feel free to undo the closure. --George Ho (talk) 23:20, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

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Article: Pitcairn Islands (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Pitcairn Islands passes a law allowing same-sex marriage. (Post)
News source(s): [19], [20]
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 --BabbaQ (talk) 20:12, 24 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

What a strange island, every ex tween girl in the colony was raped by the mayor and half the island cause that's de facto legal till 16 years ago but mere gay marriage wasn't. Now it's reversed but they might be too small to have gays. Also, the perps got slaps on the wrist. 205.197.242.150 (talk) 20:54, 24 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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[Posted RD] RD or Blurb: James Horner

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No consensus to push this up to a full blurb. Stephen 23:44, 24 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: James Horner (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Film composer James Horner, 61, dies in a single-occupant plane crash. (Post)
News source(s): Hollywood Reporter
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Article updated
Nominator's comments: No question on RD, I believe, but I would offer the blurb as this was the unusual death of a multi-award winning composer. MASEM (t) 03:58, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD with improvements: I was just coming here to nominate the article. Needs a bit of sourcing work but notability is clear. As per my usual philosophy on this sort of thing, I don't think a blurb is necessary or advisable. -Kudzu1 (talk) 03:59, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    All right, I'm satisfied with the article now. It's not the best biography page, but it is in postable condition and should go up ASAP per Medeis and Masem. -Kudzu1 (talk) 05:06, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I'd suggest waiting for now. Most reliable sources are currently hedging their bets as to whether or not Horner was the pilot - even though he almost certainly was, we should follow their lead here. --Bongwarrior (talk) 05:11, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
His personal assistant confirmed his death. (The initial reports knew it was his plane and he was unaccounted for, but they've affirmed his body). --MASEM (t) 05:20, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
His personal assistant can't really confirm anything. Nobody in a position to do so has confirmed anything yet. --Bongwarrior (talk) 05:28, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
She would have been aware he was going piloting that afternoon in his plane, and his plane crashed with one body discovered (of which even without morgue analysis, they could have estimated age and gender), and she had not been able to contact him after the fact. Now, one could imagine a scenario in which this was all faked or staged, but that's a huge amount of speculation particularly given Horner's background. Given every other major source assumes he has died, that's sufficient confirmation for us. If it does turn out to be a hoax, that's a whole other story that might be ITN. --MASEM (t) 18:50, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I can recall any number of times that deaths, which were already known, were nonetheless fought until there was official confirmation. Looks like that BLP bright line is being eroded in recent times. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:18, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I can safely say that Wikipedia follows WP:RS, and if people want to declare that the BBC, The Guardian, USA Today, The Huff, The Independent, Time etc etc etc are all wrong, then please take an RFC up at WP:RS. In the meantime, stop the absurdity. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:32, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Kudzu1 has done wonderful work taking care of the needed refs. μηδείς (talk) 04:31, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD, oppose blurb - Notability for RD is unquestioned, but he isn't any more notable than any other good RD candidate. --Bongwarrior (talk) 04:35, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb - His death confirmed.. Big story. The notability is one thing, the spectacular death is another. Jusdafax 04:39, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD, but not blurb. He's well known in film music and his death was unexpected. I don't think he rises to the level of importance that is required for a blurb. Isa (talk) 05:34, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb I didn't recognize the name immediately (in fact I did a double take at first thinking it was Jack Horner), but after looking at his works, it seems the oversight is mine and he is indeed more than sufficiently notable, and the manner of death is a strong qualifier for a blurb. - OldManNeptune ⚓ 05:37, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Marking ready, which it is. Admin can decide where for now, but a look at the RfC shows that people who'd have gotten blurbs before RD existed should still sometimes get blurbs. This guy did everything from Alien and CBS news to Star Trek and the Obama Inauguration, to Titanic and Avatar. μηδείς (talk) 05:42, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • What he worked on was (usually) notable, but I don't think it makes him rise to the level of a blurb. A lot of people worked on those films. Also, can you try keeping your support vote in one place instead of duplicating it? It could create confusion. Isa (talk) 06:52, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
      • Perhaps you need to review this list of accolades] including two Oscar wins for "Titanic". Sorry, but I don't buy your argument one bit, and I suggest that the admin sitting in judgement discount it as having little to no weight. James Horner just died in a tragic plane crash, it's on the news all over the world, and you don't think that deserves a blurb on ITN? Sheesh. And to TRM below, of course he isn't Thatcher or Mandella. He gets a blurb because he died in a ghastly accident. That's WP:DUE. Jusdafax 07:12, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD only not Mandela, Thatcher etc etc, not even top story on BBC World, and that image looks suspiciously like a copyright violation... The Rambling Man (talk) 07:04, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted to RD allow debate about blurb to continue a bit since this story is merely a few hours old in any case. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:08, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Point of order - Given your previous !vote, aren't you a wee bit WP:INVOLVED? Jusdafax 07:21, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    Okay, if you wish to lawyer around it, I'll remove it altogether. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:22, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    It's a valid question. Your peevish response is uncalled for, in my view, and if you are, as an admin, using the term "lawyer around it" then I'll observe that your posting, then unposting are arguably disruptive, and a pretty clear violation of WP:POINT, by an admin, who is supposed to know better. Jusdafax 07:43, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    You got what you wanted, I removed my conflict of interest. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:09, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    Shall I report both of you to ANI right away if Horner's name is not re-posted in RD soon by someone else? George Ho (talk) 08:11, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    I asked a question. I am now being mischaracterized by an administrator of the encyclopedia as "got what I wanted" which is, frankly, abusive since that was not at all what I said. Now it's a threat to take me to ANI. Wow. Something is seriously broken here, as I see it. Jusdafax 08:29, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    I have posted numerous items to ITN that I have supported. It has generally been accepted that admins are capable of determining if a clear consensus exists, even if they have participated, as I did in this case. If you have any further reason to discuss this, please take it elsewhere so as not to derail this ongoing ITN discussion. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:50, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    Please move to the Wikipedia talk:In the news page, then. I have opened a discussion there. Thank you. Jusdafax 09:02, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD only - A mere name mentioning is enough for folks to click on. We've already posted Christopher Lee's obituary, so let's not post Horner's obituary blurb. --George Ho (talk) 07:23, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD Exactly for people of such magnitude. Brandmeistertalk 07:40, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD I believe enough is said on this matter. Zwerg Nase (talk) 08:11, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted to RD. No prejudice against further discussion about whether he should get a full blurb. Jenks24 (talk) 08:43, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb, support RD per TRM and Bongwarrior. Neljack (talk) 10:28, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD only for heavens sake. John Williams maybe but I don't see this as rising to blurb material.--72.69.70.247 (talk) 11:48, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD only The importance of this person and the media coverage of his death are light years far from many others who have been given blurbs in the past but also some who have not because of the argument that blurbs are deserved only for extremely popular persons who have changed the world. I really do not think that we should regress so low to post this, as there has been at least a dozen of deaths of more popular persons in the last couple of weeks.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 12:17, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I do want to comment that if Horner died from natural causes, I'd fully oppose a blurb; the reason I suggested it is that the death is unusual - 61 is not young and he was still composing, and he died while piloting his own plane. This would be equivalent to why we posted Robin Williams - the death came out of nowhere, not so much the reputation (as was arguably the case with Christopher Lee). --MASEM (t) 13:53, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    I should note that the purpose of a blurb is to report facts of newsworthiness not to recognize importance as distinct from RD. The reason why one death should get a blurb and another get an RD link is whether or not we have more to say than "So and so died". If the news only reports the death itself, then it's RD candidate. If the news is covering other aspects of the death, as either newsworthy memorial services and tributes and retrospectives (the so called "Thatcher-Mandela standard") OR the news is covering the death itself as particularly newsworthy and noteworthy (the so-called "Robin Williams standard"), then blurbs are appropriate. I'd posit that we've screwed up two recent postings in either direction recently. For Christopher Lee's death, there wasn't anything more to say than "he died". Should have been an RD not a blurb. For this death here, the manner of death was unusual, unexpected, and the most important part of the story, so we SHOULD have posted this one as a blurbs. Blurbs are not reserved for those we think are important people. They are reserved for when we have something more to say about a death than merely "they died". For Lee's death, we didn't. For this death, we did. --Jayron32 16:58, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
We have yet to receive official confirmation. We have Variety‍'‍s confirmation, but that's about it. If you believe that he is still alive, ask to pull his name out. George Ho (talk) 18:27, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
His friends are reacting as if it's a fact, and the odds are that it is. But until it's officially confirmed, we have to be cautious. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:41, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
This, maybe? Isa (talk) 18:28, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
This? Google? The Rambling Man (talk) 18:29, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Absurd, BBC is reporting it, The Guardian is reporting it, reliable sources. Move on. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:19, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
It does not appear to have been confirmed by the authorities yet, but it now seems to be a "given" that he's dead. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 03:16, 24 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
His agents are now confirming it was him in the plane: [21] These plane crashes, the remains often aren't exactly open-casket-ready. -Kudzu1 (talk) 05:04, 24 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
List_of_highest-grossing_films says (worldwide gross, inflation adjusted)
1 Gone with the Wind $3,440,000,000 1939
2 Avatar $3,020,000,000 2009
3 Star Wars $2,825,000,000 1977
4 Titanic $2,516,000,000 in 1997 (+ 343 million in 2012)
  • Gone with the Wind was just a different time, there was no TV, people used movie theaters to watch the news. They went every week I think. Today it'd be G or PG and didn't have naked breasts so kids, cons, and married men could watch. It's probably been re-released many times. Is that included?
  • Star Wars came out before cable and home video. It's been re-released too, is that included? It was a new level of special effects I think and along with Jaws started the blockbuster era. I think it's still PG, no nudity so kids who liked space could view.
Titanic however gained it's billions almost entirely from just like young females seeing it a hundred times just to cry when Jack dies and the music was a big part of that. James Horner also apparently wrote the music for Avatar, Braveheart, Apollo 13, Deep Impact, Zorro, Spiderman (2012), Jumanji, Casper, Star Trek 2 and 3 and a lot of other things like A Beautiful Mind. He's very prolific. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 02:44, 24 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Post posting-as-RD) Support RD only. Normally I wouldn't bother commenting with hindsight but since the is a contingent here that feel it worth arguing still. I do not accept appeals to authority or any assertion of notability by association. If he was associated with a spectacularly successful film when argued on one basis then so what? If this was Ennio Morricone then yes I'd support a blurb subject to the article being at least halfway decent - he has been repeatedly noted for his skill as a composer even outside the field of film composition. I haven't seen the same for Horner. 3142 (talk) 07:23, 24 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • I've only seen part of one spaghetti western on TV but yes that is some good composing. You can't argue with Ennio beating him on innovation (when I found out he's only partly original I always checked if I heard a whiff of reused Apollo 13 or Titanic) Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 15:09, 24 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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[Posted] 2015 Pakistan heat wave

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Article: 2015 Pakistani heat wave (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least 350 people die due to intense heatwave in Southern Pakistan. (Post)
News source(s): ABC TOI BBC
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  • Wait (I do know I saw this pass by on a newsfeed I watch). Like the previous India heat wave story, let's make sure this is a significant event; 140 ppl in a country as large as Pakistan is not a significant number but it gets to 1000 or more, then we should be talking inclusion. It may take a day or two for that to be determined. --MASEM (t) 14:10, 22 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait per Masem. Severe weather with an attendant loss of life is pretty much going on all the time some where in the world. We need to have a high bar for these kinds of stories or ITN risks becoming a ticker service for the Weather Channel. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:19, 22 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Updating - I think it's a significant event and am updating it. The figure has already reached 260+. Faizan (talk) 15:21, 22 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
350 dead now, amended the blurb. Faizan (talk) 18:44, 22 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  Done Article updated, will keep a watch on the upcoming news and improvements. Faizan (talk) 15:50, 22 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[Closed] 2015 Kabul Parliament attack

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No consensus that a failed attack was sufficiently notable. Stephen 06:28, 26 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Articles: <span class="anchor" id="2015 Kabul Parliament attack"><span class="anchor" id="RD: 2015 Kabul Parliament attack">[[2015 Kabul Parliament attack]] ([[Talk:2015 Kabul Parliament attack|talk]] · [{{fullurl:2015 Kabul Parliament attack|action=history}} history] · [{{fullurl:Talk:2015 Kabul Parliament attack|action=edit&preload=Template:ITN_candidate/note&preloadtitle=In+the+news+nomination&section=new&preloadparams%5b%5d=%3Cs%3E2015+Kabul+Parliament+attack%3C%2Fs%3E}} tag]) and War in Afghanistan (2015–present) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In the ongoing war in Afghanistan, the Taliban has attacked the Kabul Parliament. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Taliban has attacked the Kabul Parliament, injuring 40 civilians.
Alternative blurb II: ​ The Taliban has attacked the Kabul Parliament, amid the 2015 phase of the war in Afghanistan
Alternative blurb III: ​ The Taliban has attacked the Kabul Parliament, killing a mother and a child and injuring forty civilians.
News source(s): Reuters Guardian CNN BBC
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Nominator's comments: Major news for NATO countries involved in the 2001 War in Afghanistan and the NATO withdrawl (War in Afghanistan (2015–present)) -- Aronzak (talk) 11:51, 22 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support as nominator - for me, this is on the front page of Reuters.com, CNN.com, and theguardian.com. This attack appears to have involved a car laden with explosives that went though multiple security checkpoints, raising questions as to the capacity of the security forces to fight the Taliban. NATO forces continue to maintain an advisory and counter-terrorism capacity in Afghanistan in 2015 and this attack raises legitimate questions for NATO powers as to the efficacy of their counter-insurgency strategy, that has arguably been ongoing since 2001. Given media attention to ISIL's invasion of Iraq after US withdrawal, this may have similar prominence in the media for NATO countries. -- Aronzak (talk) 11:51, 22 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Any significant attack on a parliament is major news, even in an unstable country such as Afghanistan. The article is short for now, but well referenced. Fgf10 (talk) 12:36, 22 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support in principle – per Aronzak, but perhaps wait a bit 'til dust settles? (AP now sez two dead – in addition to the seven Taliban killed – and 31 wounded.) Sca (talk) 12:38, 22 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Notable story of course, and of interest worldwide, but the article is super thin at present, and I've rated it as a stub. Jusdafax 15:32, 22 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose attack foiled, a handful of "terrorists" dead, already rolling of the top of world news. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:38, 22 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
According to the UN, a mother and a child were killed. How is it merely foiled? George Ho (talk) 19:19, 22 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Foiled because the target of the attack was barely touched. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:00, 22 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I asked the nominator to let me merge this article to War in Afghanistan (2015–present). I'm awaiting his response. George Ho (talk) 08:32, 24 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I went ahead and then merged the article. George Ho (talk) 09:07, 24 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nevermind; the nominator reverted it. I'll set up a separate discussion then. --George Ho (talk) 09:12, 24 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - as nom, have merged the article in. -- Aronzak (talk) 10:14, 24 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Changing to weak oppose. Now that the article has been merged, I realize that, as part of the continuous War, it's not much of a big event as... say, Charleston church shooting. Maybe we can keep either Afghan War phase up to date. --George Ho (talk) 20:29, 24 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose Dead people in Afghanistan isn't news. I'm not saying that it is right, but it is reality. The parliament shot of the dust flying down was a five second clip even on "serious" Western televised coverage. More to the the point, I really don't like the article - the background section is the best developed there, and it is more a potted history of Afghanistan than a discussion of the subject of the article. 3142 (talk) 07:44, 24 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
As a comment on this - most of the violence has been in regional areas where the army is stretched - One Reuters report described this as a "spectacular attack" on the capital. -- Aronzak (talk) 10:25, 24 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Watershed, or vignette? Sca (talk) 13:06, 24 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Clearly not a watershed moment as it's not in any major news outlets any longer, it was a damp squib, and it wasn't and never will be suitable for ITN. It was an epic fail, all round. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:52, 24 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose In the grand scheme of things this does not look like it was all that big of an event. I doubt it will rate more than a footnote in the sad history of this country's civil war. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:59, 24 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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[Posted] 2015 U.S. Open (golf)

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Article: 2015 U.S. Open (golf) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In golf, Jordan Spieth wins the U.S. Open. (Post)
News source(s): BBC Sport]
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Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: This is ITNR and has been updated sufficiently with references included to reliable sources. FiringAces (talk) 23:59, 22 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] RD: Gunther Schuller

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Article: Gunther Schuller (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NPR The Guardian
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: The Guardian describes him as "the leading proponent of the Third Stream movement fusing jazz and classical music." NPR calls him "Extraordinarily active and influential as a composer, conductor and educator." He won a Pulitzer and a MacArthur genius grant. This seems to indicate he was important in his field. Everymorning talk 13:54, 22 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: Article could use some more sourcing, cleanup and organizational work (currently, Schuller's bio is all clumped into one section). SpencerT♦C 13:58, 22 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - A notable life. I have broken up the large text block with subheadings. This article gives a fair number of sources, and overall could use a bit more work, but it's pretty close to postable for RD. Jusdafax 16:06, 22 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose this won't bump anyone off the ticker, so no real problem if it goes up. But this is a very niche genre, Schuller himself coined the term third wave but it doesn't seem to have had any major effect on the culture outside the world of critics. μηδείς (talk) 22:23, 22 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Understanding Medeis' comments about the "niche genre", I think he's done enough to merit inclusion here, especially as noted by those prestigious awards. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:04, 22 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Support conditional on article improvements. I think the claim to ITND is borderline, but it's been kinda slow in the news department lately, so what the Aytch E double hockey sticks. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:17, 22 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: Article has been improved and should be good to go. Schuller was clearly notable in the field of jazz and classical music and was very highly regarded as a composer, as evidenced by a series of high-profile awards and honors as recently as this year. -Kudzu1 (talk) 16:30, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted. SpencerT♦C 20:09, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] 2015 Tour de Suisse

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Article: 2015 Tour de Suisse (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In cycling, Slovenian rider Simon Špilak wins the Tour de Suisse. (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian Cycling Weekly Cyclingnews.com VeloNews USA Today BBC Sports
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Nominator's comments: The Simon Špilak article is very short, but the target article 2015 Tour de Suisse is a monster and in my opinion well-written. This race is a UCI World Tour race, one of the most prestigious race on the cycling calendar. It finished on 21 June, so I completed the article on the same day. Very recent news. Mattsnow81 (Talk) 19:00, 21 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • The NBA is the peak of world basketball, the Tour de Suisse is so prestigious that many top riders don't even enter, as evidenced by it being won by an unknown Slovenian who hasn't even placed in the top 100 of the Tour de France, and only once broken the top 50 of any other Grand Tour. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bozzio (talk • contribs) 11:24, 24 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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[Closed] 2015 FIFA U-20 World Cup

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No consensus. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:04, 21 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2015 FIFA U-20 World Cup (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In association football, the 2015 FIFA U-20 World Cup in New Zealand concludes with Serbia defeating Brazil 2–1 in the final (Post)
News source(s): BBC Sport , The Guardian
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Nominator's comments: Important soccer/football tournament, showcases players who will probably be some of the best in the world in a few short years 23 editor (talk) 21:41, 20 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm not saying there is no coverage(otherwise there could be no article) but it isn't high up in news/sports pages or otherwise top level news, at least the ones I see. 331dot (talk) 22:07, 20 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
While I appreciate your attention to ensuring that all articles pass WP:NOTABILITY, FIFA itself states "The FIFA U-20 World Cup has forged a reputation for...showcasing future mega-stars" This sentiment is echoed by sports commentators [22] [23]. Who can blame them since this tournament has previously been won by players such as Lionel Messi and Diego Maradona? So, my "speculation" has a number of precedents. 23 editor (talk) 22:35, 20 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose: at WP:FOOTY, players who play in professional leagues or senior international teams qualify for notability for articles. Playing at this tournament doesn't cut it. Just another event in the circle of 24/7 football coverage. '''tAD''' (talk) 00:04, 21 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
With all due respect tAD, but both the Serbian and Brazilian leagues are fully professional, and some players from both teams play their football in places like Belgium and Great Britain. Some of the Serbian players have even played for the senior team. This was no amateur tournament, and the final game saw a crowd of more than 25,000 people. As for 24/7 football coverage, it's not like this would be a news post about Luis Suarez biting someone, now would it? If coverage is substantial (which it is) and if the players are notable (which they are) then I don't see what the problem is. 23 editor (talk) 02:54, 21 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
LoL 2014 WC final was watched by 40k on stadium and 27 online viewers and didn't get posted. Nergaal (talk) 04:10, 21 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, it did. Here's proof . 23 editor (talk) 04:19, 21 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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[Closed] 2015 Mumbai alcohol poisoning incident

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No consensus and underdeveloped article. Stephen 06:08, 26 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2015 Mumbai alcohol poisoning incident (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least eighty-four people die in Mumbai, India after drinking tainted alcohol. (Post)
News source(s): Associated Press BBC Wall Street Journal
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Article needs updating
Nominator's comments: As the article notes, this has been described as the worst incident of its kind in over a decade (see for instance the AP link above), and the death toll is substantial. Everymorning talk 16:40, 20 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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[Closed] South Sudan humanitarian crisis

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Closing good faith nomination per WP:SNOW. This is clearly not going to be posted. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:31, 21 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Articles: South Sudan (talk · history · tag) and Economy of South Sudan (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ UN gives criticism to South Sudan for its handling of the humanitarian crisis in the country with almost 2,50,000 children facing starvation. (Post)
News source(s): [26], ,[27],[28], [29], [30], [31], [32], [33]
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Nominator's comments: Huge humanitarian crisis going on in South Sudan. And civil war as well. Please suggest more blurbs if you find one more appropriate to describe the entire situation. --BabbaQ (talk) 13:37, 20 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
It's not even a UN resolution; just a statement from a UN official. A Security Council resolution would me more notable. 331dot (talk) 18:31, 21 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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June 19

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[Closed] Eastern cougar

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No consensus to post at this time. SpencerT♦C 11:53, 22 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Eastern cougar (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Eastern cougar has been declared extinct (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service declares the Eastern Cougar extinct.
News source(s): Reuters AP The Guardian
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 Coasttocoast (talk) 21:21, 19 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait - This is a proposal, meaning they will take public comment to see if there are objections (eg, if anyone can provide evidence they still exist as opposed to the hypothesis that the species is completely wiped out). They will then issue a ruling, and that's when we should post. --MASEM (t) 21:26, 19 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait per Masem, but when this is posted it will need to be stated in the blurb who is doing the declaring. The article lead makes it clear that at present different organisations/experts have differing opinions on the matter. Thryduulf (talk) 23:55, 19 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment add altblurb. Last sighting was in 1938. This isn't the final ruling - it's open to public comment for 60 days (but of course news outlets won't bother reporting it then). I'm ambivalent on this -- Aronzak (talk) 01:54, 20 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose the animal is at most a subspecies, and although cougars have been spotted regularly in the East it has been claimed without proof that they are immigrants. The species itself is officially of "least concern" regarding extinction. The issue is fraught with politics, as the 90-day request for comment from the lay public (and our article) makes abundantly clear. μηδείς (talk) 02:24, 20 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait - per masem.--BabbaQ (talk) 13:38, 20 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Masem. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:16, 20 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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[Closed] Electronic Entertainment Expo

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consensus is clearly opposed μηδείς (talk) 17:26, 21 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2015 Electronic Entertainment Expo (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The 2015 Electronic Entertainment Expo has ended. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Electronic Entertainment Expo has ended.
News source(s): [1][2][3]
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: ITNR - may be late, but there is still a lot being written about it. Swordman97 talk to me 20:31, 19 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Usually we post the opening of these things, right? The ITNR listing doesn't specify. 331dot (talk) 20:33, 19 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - Arguably, as a video game fan, nothing much happened this year to attract major news coverage, unlike the previous year in which was the first E3 where the new consoles were on full display for the first time. Bunch of important sequels were announced for sure, but that's not going to be making it a ITN item. --MASEM (t) 20:51, 19 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose if that's the best we can do, we shouldn't be posting it. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:59, 19 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose posting the closing of the show, where it seems very little of importance happened. The opening is more important than the closing, I think. If the opening wasn't even nominated I would wonder if it should remain ITNR. 331dot (talk) 21:33, 19 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per ITN/R. Not sure where the idea "the opening is more important" comes from, the announcements and demos are cumulative and the end of the expo is when no new material is coming out. With an attendance of over 50,000, and many more followers at home, and demos of real products hitting the market, it's easily as important is any soccer pageant which except for being "popular", has precisely zero value beyond being a vehicle for multi-million dollar advertising deals and corrupt officials who take bribes to administer them. The article isn't great, but I don't see it much worse than the current stickied "FIFA womens world cup" which is a handful of prose and some tables. Yes, this absolutely should remain on ITN/R. I would also support various auto shows, aircraft expos and farm implements fairs if it was demonstrated that these shows were widely attended and considered important in their fields. After all, there is more to life than film festivals and cricket. --36.75.112.225 (talk) 00:03, 20 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
There is more to life than importance as well, at least here; news coverage is also relevant, and seems limited in this case. Perhaps important was a poor choice of word for me to use initially but I think the opening is more newsworthy as that's when most news coverage of such an event comes out. Readers would also be interested to know when such a supposedly important event would begin; telling then when it is over is much less helpful; closings are not always newsworthy on their own(an exception being the Olympics which have a large ceremony) Since you seem familiar with ITNR I would remind you that the page states "Listing here is not an automatic guarantee that an item will be posted". 331dot (talk) 00:37, 20 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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[Posted] MT Orkim Harmony hijacking

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Article: MT Orkim Harmony hijacking (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Around 22 crewmen are released from a Malaysian tanker after having been hijacked for 9 days (Post)
News source(s): Google News
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 ~ Muffin Wizard ;) 15:15, 19 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

June 18

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[Administrator attention needed] 2014–15 Hong Kong electoral reform

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Article: 2014–15 Hong Kong electoral reform (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Beijing-backed 2014–15 Hong Kong electoral reform proposal, which spurred the Umbrella Movement protests, is rejected by the Legislative Council. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Legislative Council votes down the Beijing-backed 2014–15 Hong Kong electoral reform proposal, which spurred the Umbrella Movement protests, by 28–8 with 33 absent.
News source(s): CNN, Reuters, CBC, New York Times, BBC
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 Citobun (talk) 22:14, 19 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Wait... I almost forgot; thirty-three walked out or were absent during voting process, while the rest remained. Re-proposal will be likely. --George Ho (talk) 07:13, 21 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Do you have a source? And why would that diminish the significance of this decision? Citobun (talk) 14:22, 21 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
CNN said there are 70 lawmakers. Thirty-three walked out to trap the pro-democracy lawmakers into false hope of victory. If that's not it, probably there is a political machine run by the most influential person. Legislation could be fallen into puppetry. --George Ho (talk) 14:42, 21 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Would you care to provide a definitive reason for your opposition? Speculation that something might occur or the hypothetical involvement of a political cabal - neither mentioned in the article or a reliable source - is unlikely to be persuasive. If anything, CNN states: "Hong Kong and China's governments have insisted there can be no new reform proposals". Fuebaey (talk) 16:09, 21 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Why trusting what they say? Also, those governments responded in Chinese language(s), not English. The translators may not know what original Chinese phrases exactly meant. If you want definitive reason, the story isn't much of a big deal. Hong Kong stories, like last year's protests, may have been posted. However, this story is not special enough. It's a mere victory, but the media spun it like a big celebration. I couldn't celebrate a victory like this when Beijing (not London) still have Hong Kong in its hands. Walking out of voting process is one thing, and continuing the process is another. However, not proposing new plans shall not imply not re-proposing old plans. --George Ho (talk) 17:42, 21 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, but asserting that a Hong Kong based journalist, working for a reputable news agency, is somehow incompetent doesn't hold much weight without a counter source suggesting otherwise. Although I respect your opinion, opposition based on one's political views is less convincing than your original rationale. Fuebaey (talk) 20:22, 21 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The original blurb looked incomplete, so I added the ALT blurb. --George Ho (talk) 04:21, 22 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
All right. If the reporter is competent, then the government may be lying or vague. --George Ho (talk) 05:11, 22 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I've unmarked it as ready. The event is a "big" victory to Hong Kongers, but this isn't very spectacular. Also, legislators will re-propose the same reform again and again. --George Ho (talk) 00:22, 25 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
George, in your edit summary I don't understand what you mean by "if some others aren't ready, this isn't either" (is that referring to other ITN items?) and even though you opposed this item, there are 5 supports (versus your oppose and a weak oppose). SpencerT♦C 01:15, 25 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
That's probably what I meant. As for another thing, a majority vote can't outweight arguments. Which arguments can carry more weight to administrators? George Ho (talk) 01:30, 25 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
As has been pointed out already, your opposition is rooted in speculation contrary to what has been written in reliable news sources – that the government has insisted there will be no more reform proposals. Even if your speculation turned out to be true, it doesn't diminish the significance of this decision at this time. Please stop holding this up unless you have a real argument. Citobun (talk) 02:21, 25 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
We've already posted the Sydney hostage situation and the Charleston shooting, but it doesn't make ITN better than mainstream press. (Why weren't there an opposition to Charleston shooting?) I forgot there was one "weak oppose". Same for posting this story. A political victory it may be; this doesn't help improve or worsen lives of Hong Kongers, who have been influenced by Chinese government already. Also, the Wikipedia article doesn't say the government won't make any more reform plans at this time. As for the CNN article, let me point out that there were no quotes about making no reform plans in the future. It was summarized. This story is not as significant as fast-track bill in the Congress, although I'll wait until Obama's decision on the bill passed by Congress (barely). George Ho (talk) 02:56, 25 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
This is not a coherent argument. Citobun (talk) 03:52, 25 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
What do you want me to do? Change to "support" and say, "Hooray, we beat the Chinese commies and their HK minions" or "Darn, you pro-democrats"? I've tried every argument, but you're still not convinced. If you want more convincing, my original argument is not as speculative as it looks. Actually, I don't want a misleading story or "victory". This "victory" can make a reader jump into conclusions, thinking it can affect the future of Hong Kong and China. --George Ho (talk) 04:05, 25 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I literally don't understand your argument – simple as that. But I do recall my last interaction with you, last year: when you removed a photo of mass protests on Sai Yeung Choi Street because the photo was "misleading". I also recall you writing that you have never actually been to Hong Kong. Are you purposefully stalling this news item to further a political agenda? Citobun (talk) 04:22, 25 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Be careful of accusing me of such absurd bias. No, I'm not pushing an agenda. I'll rephrase my arguments, including all my above arguments: I still oppose posting this story. This is a misleading victory; nothing more than that. Walking out of the process and not voting was an action of 33 lawmakers; eight supported and 26 opposed. However, there is more than meets the eye, but the media celebrated or emphasized the pro-democrats' victory as a big victory. Was walking out of the process part of miscalculation or a plan? True, speculation doesn't prevent this story from being posted. However, posting this story was already the job of the press. Was the victory encyclopedic? Yes. Was it newsworthy? Not in ITN (but elsewhere and in Wikinews at the time of victory). Readers outside of English Wikipedia have been already misled into believing that a victory can change the HK-China relationship, so I don't want it spread to here. George Ho (talk) 04:45, 25 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

If you are wondering about the photo that I removed, you mean this one, which looks like a mob crowd? Nice aerial view though; you might have thought something vicious can happen. George Ho (talk) 05:09, 25 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[Attention needed] RD: Ralph J. Roberts

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Article: Ralph J. Roberts (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNBC Bloomberg
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Being the founder of Comcast, the largest broadband provider in the United States, [34] seems to establish that Roberts was important enough in his field for RD. Everymorning talk 14:46, 19 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[Closed] RD: Roberto Marcelo Levingston

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no improvement or trend toward support, feel free to reopen if you do the work to improve the article. μηδείς (talk) 17:23, 21 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Roberto Marcelo Levingston (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
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  • Nominated by [[User:120.62.17.226 (talk) 12:52, 19 June 2015 (UTC)|120.62.17.226 (talk) 12:52, 19 June 2015 (UTC)]] ([[User talk:120.62.17.226 (talk) 12:52, 19 June 2015 (UTC)|talk]] · [{{fullurl:User talk:120.62.17.226 (talk) 12:52, 19 June 2015 (UTC)|action=edit&preload=Template:ITN_candidate/preload_credit&preloadtitle=ITN+recognition+for+%5B%5BRoberto+Marcelo+Levingston%5D%5D&section=new&preloadparams%5b%5d=Roberto+Marcelo+Levingston&preloadparams%5b%5d=nominated}} give credit])[reply]

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Died at same times as the Turk fellow nominated and held same position. 120.62.17.226 (talk) 12:52, 19 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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[Posted] Danish general election, 2015

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Article: Danish general election, 2015 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The opposition block led by Lars Løkke Rasmussen (pictured) wins the most seats in the Danish Folketing (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Social Democrats win a plurality in the Danish parliamentary election.
News source(s): BBC
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The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Election to parliament in an EU member state. '''tAD''' (talk) 00:30, 19 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support per ITNR, when the article is updated. -Zanhe (talk) 07:47, 19 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question Is Rasmussen still going to be Prime Minister even though his party does not seem to be the one with the most votes in their block? Zwerg Nase (talk) 11:19, 19 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    We don't know yet. Isn't Danish politics exciting? (no) Belle (talk) 11:53, 19 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    Ah, ok, thank you! A user named @Norrild1: seems to be a little overzealous in that respect... And you're right, it is exiting. I wish German politics would ever be like that, but we have the big Merkel-alternativelessness... :/ Zwerg Nase (talk) 12:00, 19 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't think we can put this up at the moment as the article is in pretty poor condition. Belle (talk) 12:07, 19 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • More neutral blurb posted. Else wait for the government formation (only 1 seat majority)...also note Venstre LOST seats to the DPP and his status as leader is not necessarily assured. Why DPP sacrifice this golden opportunity? (the cited article itself says leadership can change) 120.62.17.226 (talk) 12:46, 19 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment: If my blurb appeared biased, not my intentions (I have never even been to Northern Europe, let alone Denmark). My understanding was that Rasmussen was leading a block as it was believed Venstre was the largest of that block, clearly not the result. The Social Democrats retained the plurality yes, but if they don't make the government, that doesn't count for much. Again, I'm no expert on the situation '''tAD''' (talk) 17:10, 19 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Not blaming you. However, there is no surety as suggested. Without the new leader being known we could post the neutral result and then the PM (did so in the past with commonwealth countries)106.51.136.238 (talk) 16:59, 21 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support - important political news.--BabbaQ (talk) 22:22, 19 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Given that Helle Thorning-Schmidt has conceded defeat, I don't think that we should post a blurb saying that the Social Democrats have won a plurality of seats. It would be true but misleading and uninformative as to the actual outcome of the election. Neljack (talk) 22:52, 19 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support first blurb. The Social Democrat leader Helle Thorning-Schmidt resigned as both Prime Minister and party leader hours after the election.The important thing is not the largest party but who can form a government. All four parties in the opposition block (which together have 90 of 179 MP's) have pointed to Lars Løkke Rasmussen as trying to form a government. It's very likely but not certain he will become Prime Minister, but it's not known which other parties will be part of the government. Denmark nearly always has minority governments with parliamentary support from other parties. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:26, 19 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment there are quite a few paragraphs without a single inline citation. The support is clear to post once quality is improved. If we get those paras referenced, it's good to go. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:04, 20 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support – I'd like to see some results in the lede of the article, which now merely states that the election was held. As the article says farther down, – and as blurb reflects – the 'Blue' opposition bloc led by Lars Rasmussen gained a parliamentary majority. (Somewhat paralleling results of the Polish presidential election in May.) Sca (talk) 14:10, 20 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think the moment has passed for the election results, but we should post some blurb linking to the election article once the new government has been formed (we certainly wouldn't allow US or UK elections to drop out of the news without mentioning them on ITN).Belle (talk) 11:35, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    Agreed. -Kudzu1 (talk) 16:39, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per WP:ITN/R.  Yogwi21  talk  09:24, 24 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Unmarking, half those paragraphs are still unreferenced. I'll fix some of those bare urls as well. Fuebaey (talk) 17:08, 24 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Is it now fully referenced, or are you almost there? --George Ho (talk) 20:44, 24 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] Laudato si'

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Article: Laudato si' (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Pope Francis releases the encyclical Laudato si', in which he calls for action on environmental degradation and climate change. (Post)
News source(s): New York Times CNN BBC
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Nominator's comments: As the New York Times link above notes, the release of this encyclical has been "much-awaited". This has big implications because of the size of the Catholic Church (+1 billion people). Everymorning talk 11:32, 18 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

June 17

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[Closed] RD:Jeralean Talley

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Won't be posted. -Kudzu1 (talk) 17:17, 19 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Articles: Jeralean Talley (talk · history · tag) and Oldest people (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The world's oldest living person Jeralean Talley dies at the age of 116. (Post)
News source(s): Detroit Free Press, Yahoo
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Nominator's comments: The current title holder is one year younger. Not sure whether we posted such things before, however. Brandmeistertalk 19:51, 18 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Gertrude Weaver died on April 6, 2015; her death wasn't featured ITN or nominated. George Ho (talk) 21:01, 18 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose these oldest people in the world are dropping like flies. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:55, 18 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Reply: Before Weaver, there was a nomination to post the death of Misao Okawa. Weaver only "held the title" for 6 days, whilst Okawa was the oldest person in the world for 1 year and 9 months before that. That nomination was closed as having no consensus. Looking at this list, having three "oldest people" die in the same year has been an uncommon event. AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 07:56, 19 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb, also oppose RD but somewhat less strongly. I hardly ever actually vote here, but I remember reading something related to this a month ago and wanted to throw out the link: [35]. The takeaway is that, as overall lifespans increase and you get more and more supercenetarians, the period between deaths of the oldest living people will get shorter and shorter, thus becoming less and less "newsworthy". Since 2000, the time between deaths of the oldest living person has averaged 7 months; I think it's been much less than that since the previous oldest person died (after e/c: yes, per George above). I'd vote for the "last person born before 1900", when it happens.--Floquenbeam (talk) 21:11, 18 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD - Article is on the short side but well-referenced and an interesting read. It's ITN-worthy for RD, as I see it. And not every one of these cases needs to be posted, but this one is appealing. Jusdafax 21:25, 18 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - This is the third oldest person to die this year. And considering that an older oldest person wasn't included in April [36], I'd say precedent has been set. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.95.148.252 (talk) 21:56, 18 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - Precedent is useful to a point, but I think we can ignore it in this case. It's notable that she received correspondence from President Barak Obama. [Note: I have added a brief "Death" section to the article.] Jusdafax 22:05, 18 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    Not at all. British centenarians receive a telegram from the Queen of England (yes, the Queen, not just a passing politician). The Rambling Man (talk) 22:08, 18 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    Hmm. There's centenarians, supercentenarians and the world's oldest person. Quite a range. Obama's letters were reportedly personalized. Jusdafax 22:33, 18 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. From what I have observed this sort of thing has little chance of being posted; the only thing that probably would make it would be if someone outlived Jeanne Calment and was the longest-lived human to be documented. Also possibly when the last person born in the 1800's passes(maybe) 331dot (talk) 23:04, 18 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Muboshgu. -Zanhe (talk) 07:49, 19 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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[Posted] Charleston shooting

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Posted now, no dispute, further discussion should be conducted elsewhere. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:53, 19 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2015 Charleston, South Carolina shooting (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least nine people, including a state senator, are killed after a gunman opens fire on a congregation at a historic black church in Charleston, South Carolina. (Post)
News source(s): The Washington Post USA Today Associated Press
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Nominator's comments: Developing news. Significant mass-casualty event that is grabbing headlines throughout North America, and yet another development in the racially motivated violence that has been banner news lately in the United States. Kudzu1 (talk) 05:50, 18 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Can we all just get along? Sca (talk) 13:04, 19 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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[Closed] RD: James B. Lee, Jr.

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Article: James B. Lee, Jr. (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times USA Today Wall Street Journal
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: The New York Times describes lee as "a pioneering deal maker and among the most influential Wall Street investment bankers of his era." The Wall Street Journal also described him as "a pioneer of syndicated lending." This seems to indicate he meets WP:ITND criterion 2. Everymorning talk 02:11, 18 June 2015 (UTC) Everymorning talk 02:11, 18 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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[Posted] RD: Ron Clarke

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Article: Ron Clarke (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Described as a running "legend", broke 17 world records so little doubt that he was top of his field. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:45, 17 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Süleyman Demirel

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Article: Süleyman Demirel (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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Nominator's comments: Former President and five-time PM of Turkey. MASEM (t) 05:15, 17 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  Comment: There doesn't even seem to be a source on the page saying he is dead! 220 of Borg 10:14, 17 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support when sourcing is improved. He was a truly significant person in Turkish history, and I would even support a blurb. Unfortunately the article is mostly unsourced. -Zanhe (talk) 05:25, 18 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support full blurb once the quality issues are resolved. He spent his entire political career on the top of the Turkish politics in a time span of 35 years, being Prime Minister in five occasions and President for seven years. Financial Times has described him in the obituary as "a leading figure among the country’s post-Atatürk second generation of politicians", which is a very clear indicator of his importance in the history of Turkey, a country with now a population of over 70 million people and very high geopolitical significance.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 06:50, 18 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reluctant oppose. Severe sourcing issues for such an important national leader. Numerous paragraphs are unsourced, as are all the quotes. The death sentence, and the accompanying cite, has since been removed as "superfluous". I'll take a jab at fixing what I can, but I don't think it will be ready before it goes stale. Fuebaey (talk) 09:50, 20 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[Closed] Procedural proposal - next story to be removed

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I would like to propose that when the next story is ready to be posted to the main page, the French Open tennis be removed before Christopher Lee. His death and the end of the tournament were both on 7 June, and in the grand scheme of things, surely his passing is more worthy of remaining on the front page a few hours longer than a cyclical sports story. That the NBA results are bound to be posted shortly, along with Wimbledon starting in less than two weeks, should be factors taken into consideration. AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 04:30, 17 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Agreed it is standard procedure to treat a nomination from the date of announcement if it has been embargoed. I think the suggestion by Ho below was prematurely withdrawn. In any case, the effective date of the nom was the 11th. μηδείς (talk) 04:37, 17 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm neutral on this, but I do want to point out the posting of Lee's blurb was not universal, and we really need to be careful with celebrity deaths; WP is not a memorial. I would fairly argue (per the talk page) that Lee's death should be considered as of the 11th, when the family released the news, and evaluate which nom gets kicked out that way, but in absolutely no way should this consideration be based on the fame of Lee. --MASEM (t) 04:47, 17 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • I should clarify that this proposal is not "because it is Christopher Lee"; I'm not a fan of his in any sense. However there are four major tennis tournaments each year, with the next certain to appear in ITN within a month. Add to that the countless minor tournaments that are played throughout the year, and the French Open looks very old in comparison to the other stories. AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 05:13, 17 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Agreed - per proposer and Medeis. Good call, since the NBA finals are likely to be posted soon. Jusdafax 06:13, 17 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Removed by someone else. --George Ho (talk) 09:29, 17 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Restored the listing has been restored. The principle here is that the date of a nomination is not the same as the date of the event, but the date on which the news is released. When two items are listed on the same day, the second item is posted at the top. I am not quite sure why Masem keeps pointing out that the posting was not "universal", supports for a blurb far outweighed opposes. μηδείς (talk) 17:35, 17 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment the French Open item was restored because the terrible trans fat article was correctly removed. I restored the last ITN item to retain main page balance. There's no reason that once the next decent ITN item is added that Christopher Lee's blurb shouldn't be retained, but there needs to be some centralised discussion over this kind thing in future rather than this odd "procedural proposal" juxtaposed twixt standard ITN candidates. WT:ITN would seem a good place to start. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:43, 17 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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[Posted] 2015 NBA Finals

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Article: 2015 NBA Finals (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In basketball, the Golden State Warriors defeat the Cleveland Cavaliers to win the NBA Finals (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In basketball, the Golden State Warriors defeat the Cleveland Cavaliers to win the NBA Finals, and Andre Iguodala is named the Finals MVP.
Alternative blurb II: ​ In basketball, the Golden State Warriors defeat the Cleveland Cavaliers to win the NBA Finals. Andre Iguodala is named the Finals MVP.
Article updated
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 TomStar81 (Talk) 04:14, 17 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

At this point there's well over 12kb of updating. μηδείς (talk) 20:33, 17 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I read it. If being significant to one country is not sufficient reason to oppose the story, perhaps another reason will. Umm... I'm not much of a basketball fan, and I don't care much about it. Well... I wasn't good at basketball practises, but that's not the main issue. Two city teams competing each other wasn't that thrilling, but Super Bowls have gotten posted because... well, it's American football, not soccer. If US soccer team tournaments haven't been posted, why have been Super Bowl and NBA Finals? --George Ho (talk) 20:50, 17 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
George, as I said above, it's ITNR. Please voice your concerns at a more appropriate venue in order to get this removed if you really think, as a global phenomenon watched by hundreds of millions, it shouldn't qualify for a blurb. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:01, 17 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I'll propose a removal of NBA Finals when the excitement dies down. I estimate three months until calmness occurs. --George Ho (talk) 21:18, 17 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I'd suggest doing it now. Three months? It won't happen. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:20, 17 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Would that be forum shopping? Whatever... Doing it so soon would be disruptive, and I fear an administrator would exploit this to get me reported to ANI. --George Ho (talk) 21:24, 17 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The UFC Heavyweight Championship also changed hands this weekend. Go Brazil! InedibleHulk (talk) 23:40, 17 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Unrelated, but the 69th Tony Awards wasn't featured ITN. It's not sports, but it's part of ITN/R. If you want a related topic, 2015 Euroleague Final Four wasn't nominated or posted ITN. I wonder if article quality is related. As for being part of ITN/R, I wonder if this holds up well. --George Ho (talk) 23:16, 17 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Seems the remaining sections that have no citations, Game 3 and Game 4, are loaded with random WP:OR play-by-play and trivia. Might be easier to just delete and rewrite a brief verifiable few sentences of each game then to hunt down for sources (if the existing text is even correct). I'm on vacation, so good luck.—Bagumba (talk) 23:44, 17 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

June 16

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[Withdrawn] Move to RD: Christopher Lee

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The obituary blurb is now at the bottom, and we are anticipating newer stories soon. I know that the obituary is kinda old, but keeping it in Main Page a little longer doesn't seem bad. Shall the article be moved back to RD ticker to make room for other stories? --George Ho (talk) 20:42, 16 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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RD: Kirk Kerkorian

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Article: Kirk Kerkorian (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): LA Times NBC News BBC
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Kerkorian had a major role in shaping Vegas. During most of his life, he was the wealthiest Armenian in the world. Երևանցի talk 15:36, 16 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[Pulled] US FDA Trans fat Ruling

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Article: Trans fat (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The U.S. Food and Drug Administration rules that trans fats are unsafe and require all trans fats to be removed from food production in three years. (Post)
News source(s): CNN, Bloomberg
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Article updated

Nominator's comments: Originally projected to be happening around October last year (when they made a preliminary point about unsafe trans fats) this is the result of this aimed to stem heart attack rates. Some points: First, I know some will argue we should wait for the ban to be enacted, and I'm sure there's a number of lawsuits against the FDA to block this, but this is a major step already, since it is already affecting food production companies and their stock values - it is equivalent to the announcement of a merger. Second, while this is not the first country to block trans fat (Denmark was), the US's influence will likely lead other countries to follow suit, particularly given how the US does tend to be a food exporter. MASEM (t) 14:44, 16 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It isn't a "presumption", it is an FDA regulation where time is being given to comply. Any regulation can be challenged in the future; we deal with the here and now. 331dot (talk) 15:55, 16 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support The FDA doing something, anything, to improve the safety of food or drugs for consumers is unusual and noteworthy. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:57, 16 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose the target should not be the trans fat article (which is inadmissible anyway through maintenance tags), so if this is such a big deal, where's the real target? The Rambling Man (talk) 18:24, 16 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Note that a large fraction of the trans fat article is about national and local policies to regulate/eliminate TFs. Arguable one could make a separate article "Government regulation of trans fat" which in context seems like a more appropriate article, but there's no need to separate them at this time. --MASEM (t) 01:31, 17 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm saying that presently there is no need to split. The bulk of the article about trans fat is more about the health effects and government regulation, and splitting that out would weaken the existing article. If necessary, we can always link the blurb term to the appropriate section. --MASEM (t) 03:39, 17 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support the target is trans fat, and the maintenance tags are actually irrelevant to this blurb. They say that parts of the article are focused too much on US, and this blurb is strictly talking about US. Nergaal (talk) 18:59, 16 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    So it's okay to link to an article which is heavily biased towards one country when the blurb is talking about that one country? Perhaps we can add that to the ITN instructions. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:37, 16 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
From your statements I can assume that you would be 100% happy with forking half of the article to "Trans fat in USA" and then linking that. Nergaal (talk) 20:31, 16 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
You know what they say about "assuming"! It may be a good start, it would be helpful to see an article discussing why trans fat is such a talking point in the US and how this FDA ruling (the same FDA that bans Kinder eggs) is worth anything notable beyond the odd little enclave it "governs". The Rambling Man (talk) 20:36, 16 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
If you want the article split to government regulation of trans fats then say so explicitly. The US food industry says that they've been moving away from trans fats in most product categories before the ruling (latimes) - this isn't just the FDA - the food industry has been readying to phase out their use. -- Aronzak (talk) 01:58, 17 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Same FDA that pretty much regulates the entire drug industry in the World. Nergaal (talk) 02:24, 17 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose This would need a separate target article, and removing butter, lard, and various natural oils from food is simply not going to happen, so the blurb as written is simply false. But we also have a longstanding deprecation of posting mere policy decisions in one country. μηδείς (talk) 19:45, 16 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Except set the official FDA policy for the next three years and push other countries towards officially phasing trans fats out. The phaseout will be protracted - the most public attention on the issue will be now. The failure of regulation does not mean that attempting a regulatory change costing $6.8 bn US is not newsworthy. ITN doesn't have to be for just completed news. -- Aronzak (talk) 01:20, 17 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Unless other countries (and non-FDA America) push the other way, harder. The FDA doesn't always win. Public attention is something, but it's not exactly a significant impact. Seven billion dollars is a significant cost, but it hasn't been paid yet. This is potentially big. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:45, 17 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I were agin the merger, but how does a plan to ban butter, margarine, lard, and beef compare? μηδείς (talk) 04:34, 17 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
It's an announcement. Doesn't mean it will actually happen. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 07:06, 17 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] Stanley Cup

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Articles: 2015 Stanley Cup Finals (talk · history · tag) and Chicago Blackhawks (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In ice hockey, the Chicago Blackhawks defeat the Tampa Bay Lightning to win their third Stanley Cup in six years. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Chicago Blackhawks defeat the Tampa Bay Lightning to win the 2015 Stanley Cup Finals.
News source(s): CTV News
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: ITN/R. Didn't see it here, so I nommed using the same presentation as last year. Article still needs a summary for the final game and could use a few refs in each section. Floydian τ ¢ 03:41, 16 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • This looks fine, the game summaries are there etc. Posting. The core burb only, the long one is for statistics. --Tone 15:32, 16 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment a rapid posting, but one with which I won't take too much issue. However, do we really think that phrases like "played tight to the vest" and "scored on a perfect setup" etc etc are befitting an encyclopedic report of the game? I don't even understand the first phrase. Some inline referencing of all these tabloid write-ups wouldn't go amiss... (And "something the franchise has not done since 1938" which clearly needs a tense change). The Rambling Man (talk) 18:28, 16 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Temporarily pull - Just one support? There hasn't been a consensus yet. Why would Tone post it so soon? --George Ho (talk) 19:36, 16 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    Because he decided that the update was sufficient, it's ITNR after all. My comment was really related to the crap journalistic tone and the lack of inline references, but it's not that big a deal. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:50, 16 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note - Sports lingo not needed. It would be sufficient to report that all the games were low-scoring, and that the first five games were one-goal margins, the first time that had happened since 1951, or thereabouts, according to the play-by-play announcer. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:13, 16 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Don't pull I'm proofreading some of the language. Already took out that "vest" comment, which seems to be an idiom used improperly. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:38, 16 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Don't pull since it's already up there and that's just process for the sake of process. Clean up the tone, though. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.95.148.252 (talk) 14:35, 17 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Remove Picture. A photo of an actual event was replaced with a generic photo of the trophy? I don't think that's an improvement. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.95.148.252 (talk) 22:50, 17 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks for the feedback, I'm hoping we can get a picture that relates to the top story of ITN every time it changes, to stop people claiming they're "confused" by having a picture of something that isn't the top story. Feel free to log into your account and help. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:24, 18 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

June 15

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[Withdrawn] 2015 Alaska Sockeye wildfire

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I should have researched more. --George Ho (talk) 20:08, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

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Article: 2015 Alaska Sockeye wildfire (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The wildfire in the Matanuska-Susitna Borough area of Alaska burns at least 8,500 acres, destroying forty to forty-five structures. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The wildfire, probably man-made according to an emergency official, in the Matanuska-Susitna Borough area of Alaska burns at least 8,500 acres, destroying forty to forty-five structures.
News source(s): Alaska Dispatch News
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Article updated
Nominator's comments: Alaska rarely has wildfires. This is special. If blurb is not deserving, perhaps make the event "Ongoing". George Ho (talk) 07:16, 16 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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[Closed] 800th anniversary of the Magna Carta

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Article: Magna Carta (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The 800th anniversary of the sealing of the Magna Carta is celebrated. (Post)
News source(s): Newsweek NPR BBC
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Nominator's comments: I think that since this has received a huge amount of news coverage and is being marked by a lot of ceremony, [39] and because this was such a historically important document, it rises past OTD and to the level of ITN. Everymorning talk 22:13, 15 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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[Closed] RD: Qiao Shi

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Duplicate nomination. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:56, 15 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Qiao Shi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): SCMP
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Qiao Shi was one of the top leaders of China for the 1980s and 1990s. We posted Deng Liqun in RD a few months ago, and Qiao Shi is of higher seniority and rank compared to Deng. Was once number-three figure in China and considered a top candidate for leader before being ousted in what appeared to be a power struggle. Qiao's stature is unrivalled by any peers if measured by the number of major offices he held; he, at one point, was the head of the Communist Party's international department, organization department, chief of staff, head of the anti-corruption agency, the head of the politics and law commission, vice-premier, and speaker of the legislature. Significant coverage in China and Japan. Moreover let's not forget systemic bias - if George P. Shultz died tomorrow, I'm sure he would get an RD. Colipon+(Talk) 18:46, 15 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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RD: Zito

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Article: Zito (footballer) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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Nominator's comments: Zito captained the Santos side which toured the world with the fame of its icon, Pelé. Zito himself was established in the world football scene, he won two consecutive World Cups, scoring in the latter final. For a younger generation, he can be honoured as the discoverer of Neymar. '''tAD''' (talk) 16:12, 15 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

N'Djamena bombings

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Article: 2015 N'Djamena bombings (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ About 40 people are killed in twin bombings in the Chadian capital of N'Djamena. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Chad declares that Boko Haram is behind suicide bombings in the capital N'Djamena that killed 27 people and wounded over 100.
News source(s): AP Reuters AFP AJ NBC
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  • Nominated by [[User:120.62.26.151 (talk) 13:22, 15 June 2015 (UTC)|120.62.26.151 (talk) 13:22, 15 June 2015 (UTC)]] ([[User talk:120.62.26.151 (talk) 13:22, 15 June 2015 (UTC)|talk]] · [{{fullurl:User talk:120.62.26.151 (talk) 13:22, 15 June 2015 (UTC)|action=edit&preload=Template:ITN_candidate/preload_credit&preloadtitle=ITN+recognition+for+%5B%5B2015+N%27Djamena+bombings%5D%5D&section=new&preloadparams%5b%5d=2015+N%27Djamena+bombings&preloadparams%5b%5d=nominated}} give credit])[reply]

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: High count and unusual location...likely a link to the Boko Haram counter-fight. 120.62.26.151 (talk) 13:22, 15 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

What is the article whose quality we are assessing for inclusion on the main page? Currently, we have no Wikipedia content to highlight, so I am not sure what you are nominating. Redlinks cannot be "the best Wikipedia has to offer". --Jayron32 14:13, 15 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia won't allow me to create articles.120.62.26.151 (talk) 14:15, 15 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
But it will allow you to create an account, thus protecting your IP address and affording you privacy, and then you can create articles. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:22, 15 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment despite this IP's abject refusal to do anything about his inability to create an article, which would take about two minutes, the news story has some legs, with around 23 people killed by suicide bombers in Chad. I cannot recall ever seeing an article at ITN about Chad, and this is pretty grim, but is it now just "one of those things" that happens in Africa, that a handful of people are blown up by suicide bombers? I don't know. But nevertheless, this nomination is a complete waste of time until we have an article, which the knowledgeable IP already knows and could do himself if he logged into his account. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:52, 15 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Support lots of news outlets reporting that Chad is saying Boko Haram organised the bombings - which suggests this is a revenge attack for Chad's involvement with Nigeria in fighting Boko Haram. Note - VOA reports Nigerian president Muhammadu Buhari "has traveled to Chad and Niger for discussions on the fight" and "Foreign military officials traveled to Abuja on Thursday" - suggesting this bombing could be trying to undermine cross-border military cooperation. -- Aronzak (talk) 11:46, 16 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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[Posted] RD: Qiao Shi

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Article: Qiao Shi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [40] [41] [42]
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: I've already added sources to most of the content, still working on adding more. Zanhe (talk) 05:10, 15 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support: Good work by nominator on getting this page in fine fettle. Seems like a notable figure in recent Chinese political history. -Kudzu1 (talk) 16:46, 15 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support (and apologize for posting duplicate entry above). Qiao Shi was one of the top leaders of China for the 1980s and 1990s. We posted Deng Liqun in RD a few months ago, and Qiao Shi is of higher seniority and rank compared to Deng. Was once number-three figure in China and considered a top candidate for leader before being ousted in what appeared to be a power struggle. Qiao's stature is unrivalled by any peers if measured by the number of major offices he held; he, at one point, was the head of the Communist Party's international department, organization department, chief of staff, head of the anti-corruption agency, the head of the politics and law commission, vice-premier, and speaker of the legislature. Significant coverage in China and Japan. Moreover let's not forget systemic bias - if George P. Shultz died tomorrow, I'm sure he would get an RD. Colipon+(Talk) 19:08, 15 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Seems to be notable in Chinese politics. 331dot (talk) 20:45, 15 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Before the article was fixed, I was unsure about nominating the article for ITN. However, I'll give this props for explaining the prominence of the late politician. Although someone else did the nomination before me, this article deserves an honorary mention. --George Ho (talk) 01:34, 16 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted. SpencerT♦C 01:39, 16 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[Closed] RD: John Carroll (journalist)

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Article: John Carroll (journalist) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post New York Times
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Described by the Washington Post link above as "one of the most distinguished and inspiring newspaper editors of his time". He also, according to his NY Times obituary, "helped deliver 13 Pulitzer Prizes to The [Los Angeles] Times during his five-year run as its editor." Everymorning talk 23:24, 14 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, not known for his reporting, that his hirees won Pulitzers is like saying a manager was great because he drafted MVP's. μηδείς (talk) 23:57, 14 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on article quality as needing more citations(as stated); uncertain as to merits. I'm inclined to agree with Medeis' analogy; I'm not clear on what exactly his influence was if not simply hiring people who were already talented. I'm also not sure what the field is; is it journalism? Journalism management? 331dot (talk) 00:26, 15 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per above. Hiring people with Pulizers is not the same as actually winning them themselves. --MASEM (t) 01:34, 15 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I think there's a misreading going on. He didn't hire people with Pulitzers, he hired people who went to win Pulitzers with stories that he (presumably) commissioned or edited. That said, I'd oppose because he doesn't seem to have been significant outside the newspaper - someone like Ben Bradlee or Bill Deedes who had a more major effect on society, I would support. Smurrayinchester 09:56, 15 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I read the article and did understand that point, although my terse comment above was ambiguous. It doesn't affect my opinion. He was basically given the money by management to bring in better talent. It's like praising a competent museum director with big-budget backing for acquiring some cool works of art. μηδείς (talk) 18:02, 15 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – I'd heard of Mr. Carroll because of my background in the news biz, but I don't think he quite qualifies as being at the top of his field. Sca (talk) 22:26, 15 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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[Posted] 2015 24 Hours of Le Mans

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Article: 2015 24 Hours of Le Mans (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In motorsport, the Porsche of Earl Bamber, Nick Tandy, and Formula One driver, Nico Hülkenberg wins the 24 Hours of Le Mans. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In motorsport, Earl Bamber, Nick Tandy, and Nico Hülkenberg driving the Porsche 919 Hybrid win the 24 Hours of Le Mans.
News source(s): Fox News Yahoo/Eurosport BBC Sport
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: ITN/R sports event Donnie Park (talk) 16:23, 14 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] 2015 Tbilisi flood

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Article: 2015 Tbilisi flood (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Flooding in the Georgian capital Tbilisi leaves at least 12 dead and releases wild zoo animals into the streets. (Post)
News source(s): [43], [44][45]
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Article probably needs a fair bit of work to bring up to speed but not every day numerous animals, including a hippopotamus, 6 lions, 6 tigers, 7 bears, and 13 wolves escape from a zoo, citywide damage is estimated at $9.4 million EdwardLane (talk) 13:47, 14 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

June 13

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  • A man opens fire at policemen outside the police headquarters in the Texan city of Dallas, while a bag containing a pipe bomb is also found. He was later shot dead by police snipers following a car chase and standoff. (AP), (CNN)
Politics and elections

[Posted] Rosetta/Philae lander successfully awakes

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Articles: Rosetta (spacecraft) (talk · history · tag) and Philae (spacecraft) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Philae lander from the Rosetta mission successfully awakens from its hibernation mode after landing on comet 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko 8 months earlier. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Philae lander from the Rosetta mission successfully awakens from its hibernation mode, eight months after landing on comet 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko.
News source(s): CNN, Guardian
Credits:

Both articles updated

Nominator's comments: While we did post when the lander had been confirmed to have landed on the comet back in Nov [46], after that the lander went communications-dead as it appeared to have landed in a shadowed area where it could not receive power, so the continuation of the mission was unsure. Now that the lander has enough power, the mission is able to continue. MASEM (t) 15:40, 14 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[Closed] Swedish royal marriage

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Snowclose. -Kudzu1 (talk) 16:42, 14 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Sofia Hellqvist (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Prince Carl Philip, Duke of Värmland marries Sofia Hellqvist in a wedding ceremony in Stockholm. (Post)
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: Could be potential ITNR in the future. --BabbaQ (talk) 18:11, 13 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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June 12

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RD: Nasir al-Wuhayshi

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Article: Nasir al-Wuhayshi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Nasir al-Wuhayshi, emir of Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, is killed by a U.S. drone strike.
News source(s): [47]
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Founder of AQAP, death just confirmed today. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:03, 16 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[Closed] Infanta Cristina, Duchess of Palma de Mallorca

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not consonant with existing precedent and no trend toward support μηδείς (talk) 17:47, 13 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Infanta Cristina, Duchess of Palma de Mallorca (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ King Felipe VI of Spain revokes the title of Duchess of Palma from his sister Cristina (pictured) amidst her trial for alleged tax evasion. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: I can see this getting snow closed, but it's rare for a royal to be stripped of a title, and especially as a reaction to a criminal trial '''tAD''' (talk) 20:01, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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European Games

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Article: 2015 European Games (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The first European Games open in Baku, Azerbaijan (countdown salute pictured). (Post)
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Could be potential ITNR in the future. Brandmeistertalk 16:44, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support ongoing like women's world cup. bufartalk 19:25, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutral at this stage but I would appeal for some sense of perspective at this point. I would oppose any form of "enhanced" coverage - blurb fine, ongoing, sure, but not "We'll post now and automatically make it ongoing later" and the suggestion this should be ITNR even at this point strikes me as laughable. This is the first event of its kind and we can't properly assess its significance except with the benefit of hindsight and we are able to judge the level of popular interest this generates. The obvious comparison is with the Commonwealth Games, and if it attracts a similar level of interest then it should be treated similarly. However we should be very definitely following popular attitudes rather than attempting to lead them. 3142 (talk) 19:47, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • I agree that we should not rush this to ongoing. We have no idea how big/important this will be. It could get viewership numbers akin to FIFA or Eurovision and thus would be reasonable to have ongoing, or it could be a flop. The opening and closing is fine for ITN first time around. --MASEM (t) 19:58, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose ongoing link. Especially since this is new I have some reservations that the article will stay well updated. SpencerT♦C 22:28, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb, oppose ongoing per 3142. We don't know what attention it's going to get from editors, viewers or the news media so I don't think it automatically qualifies for an ongoing slot at this point. Thryduulf (talk) 23:06, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I am yet to be convinced of the true global significance of this event. When more press seems to be going to the human rights situation in the host country than the actual event itself, that's indicating that the competitions are not widely followed. Also, we did not post anything for the 2014 Asian Games on ITN last year, despite the fact that, when compared to the European Games, the Asian Games are a much more established event. --Tocino 02:57, 13 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Its got no credibility yet as to its worthiness. And as mentioned the Asian Games are more historic and bigger.120.62.24.238 (talk) 10:00, 13 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose the sole headline I have seen in the US was related to a bus crash. There's no established notability, and the arbitrarily limited attendance would seem to qualify any medals as Olympic Medals as such. We can always post any truly record-breaking developments separate from the mere opening of the games as such. μηδείς (talk) 17:53, 13 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Media seem to be noticeably biased in this case, with some headlines lapsing into yellow journalism. I don't think we should copy their pattern, especially given Wiki's different goals and policies. Brandmeistertalk 19:50, 13 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment how many countries from the European NOCs are taking part? How many athletes? Does Coca Cola often sponsor European games that aren't worthy of note? Just because the ignorance of the United States press means that this isn't advertised in the United States, it shouldn't preclude it being discussed and included in this, the English language Wikipedia. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:09, 13 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - Supporters fail to make a case for these games being of such significance as to require a blurb on Wikipedia's front page, and I fail to see consensus to post. Having the nominator mark this as "ready" is additionally unimpressive.. Jusdafax 09:15, 14 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sana'a Old City bombing

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Articles: Saudi Arabian-led intervention in Yemen (talk · history · tag) and Sana'a (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Saudi-led coalition bombs the World Heritage Listed Old City of Sana'a destroying three houses and killing five people. (Post)
News source(s): (BBC)
Credits:

 Jenda H. (talk) 14:39, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

What I do seriously expect is people commenting here to be able to understand an analogy. Saying "A is to B as C is to D" doesn't mean an equation between A and C. Notability is one thing. But unless you want to argue that we shouldn't have an article on Monte Cassino, since hundreds and thousands of times more people were killed at Dresden and Nagasaki, you shouldn't be arguing that the destruction in Sana'a is irrelevant because 1/50th as many were killed there as at Monte Cassino. μηδείς (talk) 19:34, 13 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment should this "story" gain traction, could someone please highlight the update that we're posting? Right now we have four linked articles, one of which is a micro-stub (the Old City article). If this is to be compared with other major destructions of world heritage sites, we should surely have an article of its own? The Rambling Man (talk) 20:05, 13 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[Closed] Dominique Strauss-Kahn acquitted

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no trend toward support for posting μηδείς (talk) 18:09, 14 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Dominique Strauss-Kahn (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Dominique Strauss-Kahn, the former head of the International Monetary Fund, is cleared of "aggravated pimping" charges. (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian USA Today Wall Street Journal
Credits:
Nominator's comments: I think this is significant because Strauss-Kahn was a highly ranking economic official. Also, the BBC states that this verdict "brings to a close four years of legal proceedings against Mr Strauss-Kahn..." BBC Everymorning talk 12:23, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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June 11

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2015 Copa América

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Article: 2015 Copa América (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: No blurb specified (Post)
News source(s): Independent (UK) (Official)
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Nominator's comments: Well known international football competition begins featuring South American national football teams. The competition finishes on 4 July 2015. TheBigJagielka (talk) 22:26, 13 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: I'm willing to support posting the final results of the tournament but not that it has started. SpencerT♦C 01:43, 14 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: this is a tough one. On the one hand, it involves a lot of the high calibre players that one might see for a Euro championship; on the other hand in terms of sponsorship and marketing and global reach the tournament pales in comparison to the Euro. At the same time, one probably should also acknowledge that the Copa America probably has a higher fan base compared to the ongoing FIFA Women's World Cup... I would throw my weak support behind posting it under "ongoing". Colipon+(Talk) 02:22, 14 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support- One of the biggest if not the biggest sporting event of the entire continent. Easily qualifies for ongoing. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 18:37, 14 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose we should just stick to the winners, after all, it could be Jamaica. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:38, 14 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Ongoing but I think posting the winners would be fine as it is an international tournament in a popular sport. I fear Ongoing is morphing into a sports ticker which I don't think was intended. 331dot (talk) 19:42, 14 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    I agree. Global sports events may creep onto it, as already demonstrated by consensus, but localised tournaments really need not go there.... The Rambling Man (talk) 19:44, 14 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Four world top ten national teams (five by Elo Rating) playing, 40% the Barcelona squad that just won the UEFA (just to cite one important club) and the world's most popular sport (according to 4 sources cited by Association football). I agree with Colipon in the higher fan base compared to the Women's World Cup or some other sports we've seen ITN. I mean, it is far from making Ongoing a sports ticker. Cato censor (talk) 13:33, 15 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I could be wrong but I don't think Ongoing was intended to cover garden-variety sports events/tournaments in progress.(taken to the extreme we could have a spot for 2015 Major League Baseball season on Ongoing) The Olympics is different because it is a multisport event involving 99% of the world, with different events happening at different times with different results. This is only a single tournament in a single sport determining a single winner. There are no incremental updates to be made other than match results which are somewhat predictable(one of the two teams in a match will win) As I stated, the result merits posting- but it shouldn't be until then. 331dot (talk) 14:04, 15 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
This is not a regular tournament like seasons.120.62.26.151 (talk) 14:16, 15 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
This is a regular tournament(every other year); my point is that taken too far we risk Ongoing being a sports ticker. 331dot (talk) 16:15, 15 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
There is no doubt in my mind that Euro 2016 will be on the "ongoing" section given its global reach and the quality of its players. It's the second most watched football tournament globally, and I would say the Copa America is third. Both tournaments generate much more interest than the FIFA Women's World Cup, which is currently in "ongoing". It's a hard argument to justify... Colipon+(Talk) 14:59, 15 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I don't necessarily agree with the World Cup(men or women) being present, either. Posting the women's (while the top level) seems to have been done more as a matter of fairness with having posted the men's. 331dot (talk) 16:07, 15 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
That is certainly true. And I agree that this Copa is just another Copa, we don't want Ongoing devolving into a list of every single local contest. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:25, 15 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Let's keep that in mind when the euro starts...at rate, support in accordance with Colipon.120.62.24.22 (talk) 09:09, 18 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on conclusion. I wouldn't support any continent's football tournament on "ongoing". We put the Olympics there because it is global, every four years and there are so many events, so a lot to catch up on. '''tAD''' (talk) 20:32, 15 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I've just read the gidelines. I don't intend to sound contentious, but under 'please do not', it states explicitly that an event being appliyable to a single country is not enough to oppose. I still think that sports shouldn't be by their own right either in nor out of ITN, but we're talking about a wide international tournament of one of the most popular sports (if not the very most one) in the World. Cato censor (talk) 12:54, 18 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. I'm not sure if I fully understand the whole thing, so this is also a question. Under the title Sports and recurring events it reads that recurring events may be posted as soon as a cited update is added to the article. Copa América is listed as a recurring event. Does it mean that it should have been posted to ITN as soon as it begun? Although the list is not preemptive, it also says that it is expected that 5 stories are posted per year. Since this year there is no men's World Cup, nor Euro, I see it easyly enter the top three. Cato censor (talk) 13:34, 18 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry, I just realized that under WP:ITNSPORTS it is stated that WP:ITNR applies to the conclusion of the tournament or series, unless otherwise specified. Cato censor (talk) 13:51, 18 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] Zhou Yongkang sentenced to life in prison

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Article: Zhou Yongkang (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Zhou Yongkang, the former security chief of China, is sentenced to life in prison for corruption and other crimes. (Post)
News source(s): WSJ BBC CNN
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Nominator's comments: The sentencing of such a (formerly) high profile politician to such a long sentence seems notable. In addition, the BBC states that this makes Yongkang "the most senior politician to face corruption charges under Communist rule" (presumably in China). Everymorning talk 21:29, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I totally forgot his arrest; pardon me. Still, his biography was featured once. But the campaign has been more prominent than this person. Also, Zhou must have been part of a political machine, so someone else behind the web is more prominent than this person. George Ho (talk) 23:10, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - he is the highest-ranking Chinese politician ever to be convicted for corruption, and as China's internal security chief he held enormous power. Article is in good shape. -Zanhe (talk) 05:03, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – Per Masem, Zanhe. – Sca (talk) 13:24, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose he's had his five minutes of ITN fame already, the sentence was absolutely inevitable. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:31, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - the outcome of this trial came totally out of the blue, everyone was expecting an open trial. Also everyone was expecting a "death sentence with a two year reprieve", not life, so the outcome was also interesting. It's tough to understate how powerful the "Central Political and Legal Affairs Commission Secretary" ("security czar") was during Zhou's days, he was described by many reliable sources as the second most powerful man in China next only to the party leader (Hu Jintao) since Zhou had effective control over the entire criminal justice, policing, and intelligence systems - think if the FBI, CIA, and the NYPD all reported into the same man, and you will understand how important he was. While we can say that Hosni Mubarak or Mohamed Morsi (recent "sentencing" ITN posts) were heads of state, it is clear that objectively speaking Zhou Yongkang had much more power than those two. Simply because he is not a household name outside of China, I can see why this item can get some opposition. Also please consider the article quality. Colipon+(Talk) 20:12, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    The article is of significant quality, I certainly concur with that. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:19, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - In China this is notable. In the past officials like him would just retire in disgrace (or just retire). This is significant development, and while it sounds normal for us that people are incarcerated and jailed when investigated for corruption, this has not been normal under communism (of any type).. For instance, in the USSR Sharof Rashidov was just forced out of meetings when it was revealed that he had turned Uzbekistan into failed state which practiced slavery-like conditions and which the majority of the revenue came into the hands of the few. --TIAYN (talk) 05:16, 13 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – More than three days old. Getting stale. Sca (talk) 13:07, 15 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Five supports (including nominator), three opposes. High quality article. I guess it's the admin's call. -Zanhe (talk) 19:34, 15 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[Removed] Remove Ongoing: Saudi Arabian-led intervention in Yemen

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I'm looking at two updates, single sentences both of them (27 May and 6 June) in the past three weeks. Not exactly lighting up the world with regular updates. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:24, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] RD: Ron Moody

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Article: Ron Moody (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC Obituary
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: iconic as Fagin in Oliver EdwardLane (talk) 20:09, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This has been ready for over 24 hours, and one single purpose account becoming the third oppose doesn't chhange the fact the article is in good shape and there are seven supports (including mine and the nominator's), eight if we are counting BBB. μηδείς (talk) 02:53, 14 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Dusty Rhodes

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Article: Dusty Rhodes (wrestler) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): WaPo, ESPN
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Whatever we may think of professional wrestling, Rhodes is being described as a "legend" in his field. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:37, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

... and Jackie Pallo and Les Kellett. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:20, 11 June 2015 (UTC) (... oh, and that blond guy from Leeds)[reply]
Legend, Kellet tutored Savile? Epic fail. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:30, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - clearly notable within his field. --BabbaQ (talk) 22:38, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - One of the biggest names in the history of the professional wrestling industry (perhaps bigger than that fella from Leeds, at least literally); his death is being covered by several major news outlets including the BBC, NBC, ABC, CBS, The Guardian, etc.LM2000 (talk) 01:33, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, pending improvements - Referencing still needs to be cleaned up. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 01:36, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question - Was he named for the "real" Dusty Rhodes? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 07:18, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. No significance outside the closed world of wrestling. No significance outside the US. No disrespect, but we seem to have an institutional bias towards American sporting figures of no international stature at all. I guess if David Beckham died it would make ITN but I doubt if more than a handful of other English footballers would make it - and rightly so. Guy (Help!) 10:35, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Sorry, but you don't know what you're talking about. He was a worldwide star, main eventing in many countries and was huge in Japan. Don't believe me? Let's check the global coverage: CBC News, BBC News, RTE, The Independent, Daily Mail, The Guardian, The Irish Independent
    • His death is getting surprisingly huge coverage in the States too with articles in just about every major media outlet. The anti-American sentiment here is ridiculous (and I'm not American, by the way). Who cares what his nationality was? He touched a lot of lives and clearly had a LOT of notability. -- Scorpion0422 11:55, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
      • I think we can see, at least from his article, that he never "main evented" in the UK. What about Europe? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:09, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
        • I don't know about Europe, but he did main event in the US, Canada, Japan, South Korea and Australia. He wrestled in an era before it became common to do world tours where they hit a dozen countries. It doesn't mean that he didn't visit European countries in a non-wrestling capacity, and it also doesn't mean he wasn't popular there. A quick google news turned up over a dozen major UK and Ireland news outlets covering his death. -- Scorpion0422 15:41, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
          • Thanks. I sometimes think that, these days, news gathering and distribution is such a global activity that all English-language "news outlets" across the world are much the same, and say very little about how much "interest" there is in any topic at any particular "geographic" location. If Rhodes had ever visited UK, in a non-wrestling capacity, I can assure you that it would not help persuade me to vote yes here. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:55, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Meh, a Redneck! I'd also add on Guy's very strong argument that we always lean towards posting articles on Rednecks in sports that are chiefly practiced in that country or in more popular sports worldwide but with very limited significance.--Droneanddrone (talk) 11:26, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • While I agree that the main ITN section is currently filled with sports, I don't think we should exclude this. For starters the Deaths section is seperate from the main blurbs. Also wrestling isn't a sport. This is more akin to an influential actor-turned-director than a "redneck" athlete. bufartalk 15:08, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support In spite of what other users claim, he was a worldwide star who main evented (and drew huge money) around the world. His death is getting coverage in many media sources that don't normally cover wrestling, and Dusty Rhodes was the second most searched term on google yesterday after Christopher Lee, so obviously people do care. -- Scorpion0422 11:55, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support as he was someone influential and widely known in his field. I also think the article meets the requirements for ITN but I may be wrong there. bufartalk 15:08, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - If the G7 summit isn't important enough to post, then the death of a personality in a niche, fake sport certainly isn't. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 16:24, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Obama's piledriver just ain't working this season. And neither is Merkel's Boston crab. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:47, 12 June 2015 (UTC) [reply]
    • The summit didn't make ITN because the article was of poor quality. That is not the case here. I also don't see why any other article being posted or pulled is relevant to this discussion. bufartalk 17:21, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • First of all, you're comparing two different things and from what a user said, the G7 being turned down was for reasons other than notability. Secondly, and this is something I have to write every single time a wrestler is nominated here, so what if it's "fake"? A better term is pre-determined, or fixed. Besides, who cares what it is, the point is that it's a billion dollar industry that spans the globe and has a lot of tradition history in many countries (notably the US, Mexico and Japan). So with that in mind, who cares if you think it's not worthy? Like it or not, his death is being reported in media sources that normally don't touch wrestling, such as Entertainment Weekly, CBS News, Forbes and CNN, and has been covered across the world, including in Canada, the UK, Ireland, Japan and Australia. I could easily pick holes in any sport (baseball: spoiled millionaires mostly standing around, some of whom are on steroids), but I would never oppose an ITN or RD item simply because I disapprove of the field. Judge him on his life and career and don't dismiss him because you hate wrestling. -- Scorpion0422 18:06, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
      • I don't hate wrestling, I just have no regard for it. Which might be why I never heard of this guy until this showed up on ITN. Yet I've heard of some other famous wrestlers. So I'm just wondering, if this guy is so high-profile, how did he escape my attention? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:42, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
        • Hold on a sec, I'm going to check the ITN criteria... Huh, what do you know? There's no criteria that says "Must be known to Baseball Bugs". My response is quite simple: You don't follow wrestling, so not every legend would be known to you. I could look through a list of baseball hall of famers and recognize (at best) 20% of them. It doesn't mean the other 80% aren't notable, it just means I don't know much about baseball. He was a headliner for nearly 20 years, and he was the head booker (the guy who makes matches and writes storylines) for various successful companies, including WCW. He was known for his immense charisma in spite of not having a wrestlers' body, and his reach in wrestling is huge, with many who came after him citing him as an influence and right up until his death he worked for WWE as a trainer. So to sum up, he had a 40+ year career in the business, working alternately as a main eventer and as a higher up and his style and personality had a massive influence on future generations. If that doesn't put him near the top of his field, I don't know what does. -- Scorpion0422 22:00, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
          • Personal knowledge is certainly not an ITN criterion, although I see personal opinions passing as "knowledge" here, frequently. Would you say that this guy was another Vince McMahon? Or more so? Or less so? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:17, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
            • Probably not, but it's an unfair comparison. It's like comparing every actor/producer/director's notability and influence to Walt Disney. A better comparison would be the two previous wrestlers to make it to RD: The Ultimate Warrior and Maurice Vachon, and in both cases the answer is yes, he was more influenctial (though Vachon was bigger in Canada). And it's not just my opinion. Read any of the many biographical articles that have popped up and they'll all say the same thing. -- Scorpion0422 22:24, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – Consistent with non-posting of Verne Gagne. Sca (talk) 12:15, 13 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • That was rejected because of a lack of mainstream coverage. This time there is more than enough coverage. -- Scorpion0422 15:00, 13 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • I said this in response to another user, but I don't see how other postings or non-postings are related to this. We should be voting (er, !voting) based on the ITN criteria. Notability is not the only factor in determining who appears in RD. —bufartalk 04:09, 14 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, but people, this will never pass. This man is from the southern United States; this is Wikipedia. Regardless of his internationally successful career, he will not be featured on this site based solely on his being from the southern United States. Person above even called him a Redneck. Southern Americans are generally not welcome here, whether they are users or celebrities.Thatdee69 (talk) 00:18, 14 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
= 0.3 percent of world population. Sca (talk) 13:14, 15 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
To be fair, that's just the weekly global average. Among countries who count viewers. And not counting Internet viewers. And in 2013, a low time for the scene. Rhodes has been consistently prominent since the 1970s, including through the Hulkamania and Attitude Era booms, when wrestling was hotter than anything on TV. Even in this relative downtime, WWE consistently pulls ratings and attendance numbers sports and plays would kill for. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:28, 17 June 2015 (UTC) [reply]

[Pulled] RD: Ornette Coleman

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Article: Ornette Coleman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
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Article needs updating
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Nominator's comments: Major figure in jazz music. Lifetime Grammy, Pulitzer Prize, Gish Prize, etc. Teemu08 (talk) 14:58, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support, but with needed improvements Article's sourcing is erratic. Daniel Case (talk) 15:07, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on article improvements Importance met, but back half of the article is weak on sources. --MASEM (t) 15:10, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support when improved Based on my Facebook feed this morning, I thought this person might've fallen through the cracks given the nom below. Meets RD criteria. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:21, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on article quality serious need of work before we should re-consider this nomination. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:54, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Suupport - pending improvements. A giant in the field of jazz, but article needs realignment in the referencing. The citations are in "notes" and the references section is non-specific, not "in-line." This will require some effort. Jusdafax 18:19, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Obvious figure for inclusion. Gamaliel (talk) 19:58, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment for the supporters above, I've tagged the issues that should be resolved. Feel free to fix them please. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:02, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. As Jusdafax says, a giant in the field of jazz. But not without controversy. Comment for the tagger above: feel free to add sources please. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:44, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support conditional on article improvement. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:43, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per Ad Orientem. Article needs improvements.
  • Posted. Black Kite (talk) 23:59, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pull: Still entire sections with few or no inline citations. This article is not front-page quality. -Kudzu1 (talk) 05:28, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Look, as so often happens in the Wikiverse, the comments are so inwardly focused on the merits of Coleman's wikipedia article that the big picture is being lost here. The article on Ludvík Vaculík isn't that hot either. Wikipedia doesn't exist in a vacuum, and whether or not Coleman has a good Wiki article has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that he is one of the greatest and most influential figures in jazz history. His passing inarguably deserves notice. PJtP (talk) 02:28, 13 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • ITN, as other front page items, are not to recognize the passing of important people but to highlight quality articles that happen to be in the news, as to better encourage new editors that visit the article via the front page to help edit them. They need to be a good enough shape to reflect basic policies (in the case of RDs, BLP policy which does have a high requirement for sourcing). --MASEM (t) 02:39, 13 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
      • Alternate take: "RD exists so that editors can be made to feel obliged to improve articles about people, once they're dead, in the hope that they'll be mentioned on the front page." </cynicism> Martinevans123 (talk) 10:22, 13 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
        • In other words, apparently Wikipedia is inwardly focused, exists in a vacuum, and attends only to its arcane internal criteria. So, if a major world political figure dies for some reason, and even though newspapers and media outlets throughout the world acknowledge this death, because the Wikipedia page on that figure is in sorry shape no notice will appear on Wikipedia's in the news? That's considered sound policy? Also, again the article on Ludvík Vaculík could hardly be considered high quality, and yet notice of his death appeared; apparently the policy of "highlighting quality articles that happen to be in the news" according to an editor above is not applied consistently. PJtP (talk) 18:07, 13 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
          • I think, in comparison to the Vaculík article, Coleman's content is much better, yet, and most importantly, a lot of it is unreferenced. We happily post three-paragraph articles, as long as they are verifiable, all the time. I think I'm right in saying that all the above commentators who object to the article's main page inclusion are just looking for more solid referencing. Newspapers and media outlets seldom demonstrate the veracity of their articles. We are mandated to do so per WP:V. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:13, 13 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
          • Rambler is quite right. But not so much "in a vacuum": it even has it's own special gravity for notable deaths. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:19, 13 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

June 10

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RD: Marguerite Patten

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Article: Marguerite Patten (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News], Minneapolis Star Tribune, ABC.es
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: I only found out about this today, hence the delay. Patten was one of the first two chefs to appear on television in the UK, and was a prolific writer of cook books. Immensely influential lady, even though the majority of readers will never had heard of her. Miyagawa (talk) 10:34, 15 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] RD: James Last

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Article: James Last (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Nominated per a comment at WT:MAIN and per the BBC's note "Last sold millions of records with his trademark "happy music" - upbeat versions of pop and classical favourites performed by his orchestra." The Rambling Man (talk) 18:24, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support with improvements. 80 million records sold is not to be sneered at, but there are some unsourced paragraphs here and there, as the tag suggests. '''tAD''' (talk) 20:08, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support with article improvements Sounds like the German equivalent of Glenn Miller or Benny Goodman, and certainly importance shown. Needs a bunch of inline sourcing fixed. --MASEM (t) 20:15, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support with article improvements A huge output, and a huge following. King of Easy. But a million miles from Miller or Goodman, in my opinion, and barely "jazz". And always more international than he was "German". Much more in the toe-tapping Beverly Moss school of Bert Kaempfert, Herb Alpert, et al. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:44, 10 June 2015 (UTC) ... an article for each one of those 215 albums would be a fitting tribute, I feel. (Discogs lists 484 separate releases...) [reply]
  • Support with article improvements. To be fair, could arguably be called the British counterpart of Lawrence Welk from the sound of things. Which would easily make the cut. Daniel Case (talk) 04:10, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support This is the kind of subject that Wikipedia is generally biased against - somewhat below the radar, rarely makes the headlines, but was around for decades and sold albums and concert tickets by the shedload. Consider how quickly we posted e.g. the death of Amy Winehouse whose sales were a mere fraction of Last's - sure the death is not as shocking and Last appealed primarily to an older audience than the average Wikipedia editor but that does not diminish the significance of the subject or constitute an argument against an RD listing.
In terms of the article I really don't see what the problem is: it would be nice if every paragraph had at least one reference but references are there, there are no major issues and the article is of essentially good quality. I'd say it's good to go: this isn't a featured article nomination. 3142 (talk) 17:19, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nobody's suggesting it is FAC, this would easily fail GAN in fact. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:26, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
There are unsourced paragraphs, which to me is an absolutely no-no for a bio (much less a BLP which this should still be considered). We aren't talking GA quality but something does not show us to be sloppy on biography pages. --MASEM (t) 17:43, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
That isn't generally accepted and we know it isn't true even in your particular case: You supported Christopher Lee with... unreferenced paragraphs. 3142 (talk) 17:55, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Please note that I said that there were sourcing problems but I could only respond after it was posted. However, it would be stupid to pull that at that point. But Lee's article has the same problems this one has. --MASEM (t) 18:10, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted. I've posted this on the basis that recent edits have taken the sourcing from "terrible" to "acceptable". If another admin thinks this is still inadequate, feel free to pull this without contacting me. Black Kite (talk) 23:58, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
No, looks fine to me, and an obvious slam-dunk candidate with a career that long and prolific. A sad day. Guy (Help!) 10:36, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

June 9

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  • HSBC announces plans to cut 8,000 jobs in the United Kingdom, one-sixth of its U.K. workforce, via "natural attrition" as it restructures its banking business. A total of 25,000 jobs could be axed globally. (BBC)
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June 8

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[Posted] RD: Roger Vergé

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Article: Roger Vergé (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times, NY Mag/Grubstreet, Le Figaro, Eater
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: This really is not a field that shows up too often here as far as I can tell, but there's very little doubt that Vergé was one of the most influential figures in the culinary world and certainly in Nouvelle cuisine. The sourced articles above certainly back this claim. I've never made a nomination for this before, so it's entirely possible that the article quality is not up to par -- if so let me know and I can see what I can do. Yaksar (let's chat) 01:39, 9 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

June 7

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  • The number of migrants arriving in Italy from Africa in 2015 passes 50,000 with over 5,000 arriving in the past few days. (The Guardian)
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[Posted as blurb] Christopher Lee

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Article: Christopher Lee (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  British actor Christopher Lee dies aged 93. (Post)
News source(s): The Daily Telegraph
Credits:

Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: RD or blurb, please make your position clear. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:05, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support - Yes, he's an actor, but his resume is nigh unparalleled.--WaltCip (talk) 12:15, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support either RD or blurb: if there is one actor that deserves the blurb, Sir Chris is it. Sceptre (talk) 12:21, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Played lots of great characters, would support a blurb due to his longevity.--Stemoc 12:23, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb. Not only for the length of his career, but for managing to become a notable figure in fields ranging from Pakistani movies to heavy metal music, as well as his day job in British and American films. He's also that rarity on Wikipedia, an actor with a high-quality article. – iridescent 12:27, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD - Icon in his field. He died naturally, so blurb adds nothing. -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 12:39, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD as per above. Zwerg Nase (talk) 12:49, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted as RD for now It is a no-brainer that this will get posted as either an RD or a blurb, and the article is already updated and well written. Going to take the rare opportunity to put this on the main page while it's still timely and actually still in the news. I'm putting this on RD for now, because there's no consensus yet on whether to make it a blurb or not; if/when that happens, someone can move it. --Floquenbeam (talk) 12:48, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Either blurb or RD, and fully agree with Floq's speedy post. The article is in very good shape, well referenced and likely to be a port of call for many people. Pedro :  Chat  12:57, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb - Top of his field, active all the way to the end, knighted... Give it up. Jusdafax 13:34, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD , oppose blurb - First, there are sourcing issues on the article that really should have been fixed before posting, though far from being a major problem (the first half is good, but the sourcing gets weaker on the backend). I'm not going to ask for this to be pulled due to that but this goes back to the timing from nom to posting (which was under an hour - that should been checked carefully) - even obvious RD cases need to have time to review the quality of the sourcing. RD is clearly obvious, but while he had a lengthy filmography among other works, and pretty much a household name, I have to beg the lack of a number of industry awards, and the death was not unexpected. While he was knighted, that has not been a metric by which we've determined a blurb before (though certainly a sign of importance). Basically, I don't see the world stopping to catch its breath at his death as compared to Thatcher or Mandela. --MASEM (t) 13:51, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I hear the "Thatcher or Mandela" standard used a lot for death blurb postings, but I think we ought to be a bit more open-minded than this. If I recall a German author also received a blurb posting.--WaltCip (talk) 14:56, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The German author had consensus but there was still opposition. What we do need to be careful is when there's a high public perception of a RD from old age as a result of being a celebrity, as this would mean we would be posting a lot of famous actors, singers, and athletes simply because they were loved by their fans. They will clearly get a lot of news coverage but we're not a news ticker, we're an encyclopedia, and such should reserve blurbs for people which had a broad impact on world events or the like, as to avoid favoritism of one's favorite actor or athlete dying. This might be holding those in the entertainment or sports to a higher standard, but we have to recognize those areas get disproportionately more coverage than politicians, writers, artists, etc. --MASEM (t) 15:09, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
But they don't back the claim up - they list his best known roles as Saruman (secondary villain), Scaramanga (villain in one part of a franchise), The Wicker Man's Lord Summerisle (villain) and Star Wars's Count Dooku (secondary villain in a film franchise). No starring roles there. Smurrayinchester 15:13, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Er, you should probably read our own articles (a requirement for voting in these discussions, I might add). He played Dracula in an entire series of Dracula films - the villain, but unquestionably the lead role, and almost certainly the second most influential actor on one of the most widely known characters in the world. - OldManNeptune ⚓ 16:44, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The reference to Glee was a joke, Muboshgu, but the support for a blurb is genuine, given my part in making sure RD got approved as part of ITN. μηδείς (talk) 17:26, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb As a horror/villain actor, he's in the company of figures like Bela Lugosi, and quite prolific (nor limited to b-movies, he's been in Oscar-winning movies and blockbusters as well). ITN has a nasty habit of posting blurbs for celebrities famed for their political opinions but pushing entirely worthy entries into RD as "not significant enough" even when drastically more people will know of and be interested in their passing - which is the mission we serve, the general interest. - OldManNeptune ⚓ 16:36, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb Was he truly at the top of his field? No. He was never even nominated for a competitive BAFTA or Oscar, and he was as well known as the length of his career as its quality; additionally, it was a natural death that nobody could argue was a shock. I have nothing at all against Mr. Lee; I simply don't think he's worthy of a blurb. -- Mike (Kicking222) 17:13, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb and alternatively RD. This is a truly iconic figure and he deserves a blurb in the ITN. I would also add a picture. This should be posted PDQ. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:43, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    It's already been posted as RD. I've prepared a picture in case in gets support for a blurb, but right now it doesn't look likely. Oddly, since he died last weekend, the blurb wouldn't be top of the pile in any case... The Rambling Man (talk) 18:54, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Staleness is an obvious problem, suggest it might make sense to close the blurbing nomination. μηδείς (talk) 20:17, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • oppose blurb my sense here is RD is right, an accomplished actor dies of old age.--Johnsemlak (talk) 21:38, 11 June 2015 (UTC)--Johnsemlak (talk) 21:38, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment the item has three more days to run before it's seven days old. "There's no rush" (tm). The Rambling Man (talk) 20:40, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • 'Comment' His death was announced too late for a blurb. Damn though! I would have supported blurb because this man is legendary and a huge part of the movie industry. His old age shouldn't shadow his decline for a blurb. But alas it be too late. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 22:11, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Support blurb Had some time to think. The man had a successful and legendary career. This man deserves a blurb! Big news even trending on multiple social websites. News has reached across the world. Blurb yes! --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 12:01, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb Prolific and unmatched career; he's likely on the Mount Rushmore of horror stars (joined by his pals Cushing and Price), also went to greater mainstream success with Bond, Star Wars, and Lord of the Rings.LM2000 (talk) 02:23, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb, his is what RD was invented for. Abductive (reasoning) 02:29, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb As Masem notes, he didn't win that many major industry awards. A famous and prolific actor, but not one of the very greatest of our time - and imposing any less of a standard would lead to too many actors qualifying for blurbs. Neljack (talk) 03:51, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes, blurb! A 70-year career with major success right up to his last year of life. This man was a giant. Retrofit the blurb. Ignore the silly rules. Who would have predicted that the man who played Dracula in Hammer films would still be a legend among moviegoers half a century later? Astonishing man, astonishing career. Guy (Help!) 10:40, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment seems to be a slight leaning towards a full blurb. Could an uninvolved admin take a look please? The Rambling Man (talk) 20:35, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb - Lee may not have had the largest trophy cabinet of major awards, but had a very successful and long career which made him one of the most recognisable and known actors. Thine Antique Pen (talk) 20:42, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted blurb. Although not 100% in favor of blurb, there seems to be consensus in favor of posting a blurb. Article quality is strong. SpencerT♦C 22:25, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Actually, JzG there was no such silly rule to break. When the RfC establishing RD was held in the summer of 2012 the proposed guidline was that supported items with a plurality of votes for a blurb would still go up as a blurb. That was the case here (an overwhelming majority was not needed) and Lee certainly would have been posted as a full blurb back before ITN/RD existed. I wish we just had a free image for ITN. μηδείς (talk) 00:22, 13 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - I don't think there is any sort of consensus for a full blurb here; blurb/no blurb is almost exactly split right down the middle. I'm not calling for a reversal or anything, but please, let's not use this posting as the bar when the next actor dies. --Bongwarrior (talk) 14:58, 13 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • A picture is entirely appropriate, since the nom was upgraded after the French Open was posted, and Lee is still second on the list. It's not like finding out who is pictured would be problematic. As for the iVotes, 15 favor a blurb, and 11 expressly oppose it. That's not split down the middle. μηδείς (talk) 02:47, 14 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
It's not really consensus, either. Death blurbs should be obvious decisions. If it's not obvious, it probably belongs in the RD section, which isn't exactly for nobodies. --Bongwarrior (talk) 03:58, 14 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[Ready] 69th Tony Awards

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Article: 69th Tony Awards (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At the 69th Tony Awards, The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-Time wins the award for Best Play and Fun Home wins the award for Best Musical. (Post)
News source(s): New York Times
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The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: ITN/R award show. Andise1 (talk) 19:33, 8 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] Ongoing: FIFA Women's World Cup

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Before this becomes another boring bitch festival, please take errors to WP:ERRORS. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:13, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Past competitions, such as the 2014 World Cup and the Olympics, have been added to the ongoing section of ITN during their duration. Would it be possible to get the same done for the current World Cup? --PlasmaTwa2 04:19, 8 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak support since we set a precedent by posting the men's version, it seems only reasonable to reciprocate with the female variant. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:02, 8 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Even though the results of yesterday's games show the major problems of women's football, it is still the biggest event in the biggest sport of the world. Zwerg Nase (talk) 09:22, 8 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose. It was my understanding that Ongoing was for events which over a period of time might get frequent updates that individually might not merit posting, but do as a group- and it wasn't meant for sports events in progress. I understand posting the Olympics as an international event with many different sports all having results at once, but with a single sport event we don't have that latter quality. The only daily update would be match results- and as we are not a sports ticker I don't think that's sufficient for Ongoing. That said, I would get posting the women's tournament since we posted the men's, though I don't think we should have done that either. 331dot (talk) 09:30, 8 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per TRM. I don't see why sufficiently significant ongoing sporting events shouldn't be posted under Ongoing. Neljack (talk) 10:18, 8 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Its significance is why the result of the tournament is ITNR. I don't think match results meet the incremental updates aspect of posting to Ongoing; we are not a sports ticker. The Olympics are different because there are many events having results at the same time. 331dot (talk) 10:24, 8 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
They sound like incremental updates to me. Neljack (talk) 21:19, 8 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
"Suffrage, it sounds horrible, but it's a good thing!" Zwerg Nase (talk) 18:05, 8 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
You must seriously be joking. Here are some direct quotes from the actual article we have here: although that network is not broadcasting this tournament due to conflicts with the 2015 Copa América; shown by the BBC across BBC Two, BBC Three and the BBC Red Button, with selected matches including all England games live on BBC Radio. As you can see, even the broadcasters don't bother to prioritize the live transmission, and you want to put an equal sign between this event and the actual WC, or the Olympics? Nergaal (talk) 14:34, 9 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I believe the article in question has an edit button, which you a free to press at any time and continue from there. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 17:53, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Ah so the hypocrisy goes on...now you set the precedence for updates AFTER posting..?120.62.25.5 (talk) 18:43, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Better that than being a sock/troll. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 08:12, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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[Posted] French Open

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Article: 2015 French Open (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The 2015 French Open concludes with American Serena Williams (pictured) winning the Women's Singles and Swiss Stan Wawrinka winning the Men's Singles. (Post)
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[Posted] Turkish general election, 2015

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Articles: Turkish general election, 2015 (talk · history · tag) and Peoples' Democratic Party (Turkey) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Turkish elections, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan's AKP loses its majority, while the democratic socialist HDP, which supports Kurdish and gay rights, enters Parliament with 13% of the vote. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In Turkey, the ruling Justice and Development Party loses its majority in parliamentary elections.
Alternative blurb II: ​ In Turkey, President Erdoğan's ruling Justice and Development Party loses its majority in parliamentary elections.
Alternative blurb III: ​ In Turkey, the Justice and Development Party wins the most seats in parliamentary elections, but loses its overall majority.
Alternative blurb IV: ​ In Turkish elections, AKP loses its majority as HDP enters Parliament, likely preventing constitutional changes that would have increased Recep Tayyip Erdoğan's presidential power.
News source(s): http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-33042284
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Nominator's comments: Erdogan has been in the news for frequent censorship initiatives and plans to change the constitution to give himself more power. Now a Muslim country has a pro gay rights party in Parliament. Who would have predicted that? Wnt (talk) 00:24, 8 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Anyone who can think.120.62.26.157 (talk) 09:00, 8 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Marking as [ready]Monopoly31121993 (talk) 06:03, 8 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
No, it's not ready. As mentioned in the French Open, this is just a table without prose.
  • Comment About blurb I&III: Although Erdoğan was the leader and prime minister of AK party (even he carried out political rallies during the 2015 elections), now he is de jure "neutral" when he ascended to presidency.--Joseph (talk) 15:03, 8 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Obviously this needs to be posted. I cannot really support any of the given blurbs though... Joseph is right in saying that Erdogan himself was not de jure a person in this election, even though the result has implications for his office and the proposed changes to his position. I'd support Altblurb without the word ruling. Zwerg Nase (talk) 15:39, 8 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – Although the Turkish presidency is said to be apolitical, the election results seem at least somewhat ominous for the conservative Justice and Development Party (AKP), of which Erdoğan was founder (and leader until last year). Agree with Zwerg's suggestion to delete ruling, since it lost its majority. Sca (talk) 18:16, 8 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – Suggest removing Erdogan's name since officially he's not the leader or even a member of the party. Also, probably mention that AKP "retains the plurality"? Otherwise a reader couldn't find out from the blurb how the election went (except that AKP lost majority). HaEr48 (talk) 01:30, 9 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I agree with HaEr48.--Seyyed(t-c) 02:06, 9 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment well if you guys could actually agree on a blurb, we could probably post this. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:33, 9 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The silly template only takes three, it appears, but I'll try alternative blurb 4: In Turkish elections, AKP loses its majority as HDP enters Parliament, likely preventing constitutional changes that would have increased Recep Tayyip Erdoğan's presidential power. If length is an issue, "as HDP enters Parliament" could be cut from that; its significance depends on the peculiar Turkish system of assigning any sub-10% portion of the vote to the top vote-getter. Wnt (talk) 11:42, 9 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I support cutting "as HDP enters Parliament" from the blurb. While many of us might feel that it is nice that they entered, I don't believe we usually include minor parties entering parliament for the first time when posting election results here. It would seem biased to include them at such a prominent spot. Zwerg Nase (talk) 11:49, 9 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Altblurb I – Erdoğan's notability aside, suggest we compromise on the basic, inoffensive original Altburb (1) – minus the word ruling. (Time's a wastin'!) Sca (talk) 13:00, 9 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
It is probably better to refrain from using words like likely in the blurb, so I can second that. Zwerg Nase (talk) 14:45, 9 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

June 6

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RD: Vincent Bugliosi

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Article: Vincent Bugliosi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): KTLA, Minneapolis Star Tribune NBC
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Attorney and author best known as the prosecutor of Charles Manson, outspoken critic of conspiracy theories and high-profile trials in the States. Challenger l (talk) 07:38, 9 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[Closed] RD: Ronnie Gilbert

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No consensus. Stephen 04:03, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Ronnie Gilbert (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): San Francisco Chronicle Billboard CNN
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Nominator's comments: A member of the Weavers. According to Billboard, "With the Weavers, whose other members were Pete Seeger, Lee Hays and Fred Hellerman, Gilbert helped spark a national folk revival..." The New York Times also said that the Weavers "helped propel folk music to wide popularity and establish its power as an agent of social change". [49] Everymorning talk 12:02, 8 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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[Closed] 2015 Middle East respiratory syndrome outbreak in South Korea

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No consensus to post. SpencerT♦C 21:15, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2015 Middle East respiratory syndrome outbreak in South Korea (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ An outbreak of Middle East respiratory syndrome in South Korea kills eleven people, with another ninety-five people still infected with the disease. (Post)
News source(s): New York Times CNN Wall Street Journal CNN again Atlantic
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Nominator's comments: Only five seven nine people have died, but this outbreak is still the largest to have yet happened outside of Saudi Arabia. Everymorning talk 12:58, 7 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose at this stage – a geographical oddity, but this isn't on the same level as the Ebola crisis in West Africa. We rightfully didn't post the small incidences of Ebola being taken to non-African countries, which is the case like here. '''tAD''' (talk) 15:47, 7 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Wait Agree that this has potential to develop but SK is well on top of it trying to prevent its spread; the country is in much better shape than the African countries where ebola hit. --MASEM (t) 15:59, 7 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I see no point in a "wait" unless this breaks massively in the next five days, which it appears unlikely to do. The article is woeful and therefore it's clearly getting nowhere near the main page right now. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:38, 7 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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[Posted] 2015 Epsom Derby

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A call was made and it was posted. Time to move on. Stephen 22:58, 9 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Articles: 2015 Epsom Derby (talk · history · tag) and Golden Horn (horse) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In horse racing Golden Horn wins the 2015 Epsom Derby . (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In horse racing, American Pharoah (pictured) wins the Belmont Stakes to become the first U.S. Triple Crown winner since 1978, while in the United Kingdom, Golden Horn wins the 236th Epsom Derby.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Golden Horn wins the 2015 Epsom Derby horse race.
News source(s): BBC, The Guardian
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Both articles updated
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Nominator's comments: ITN/R. Could be combined with the American Pharoah blurb to make a single horse racing item --Bcp67 (talk) 07:31, 7 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Triple Crown already up, but I'd support adding this one as a second sentence to the TC blurb something like... "... and in the United Kingdom..." Montanabw(talk) 08:00, 7 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment ITN/R means support is irrelevant so long as the article is acceptably updated, but I think this should be a separate line from the Triple Crown for two reasons. First, the two events are unrelated despite being within the same sport, and second, the fact that this year a horse actually won the Triple Crown arguably makes that blurb one of the most significant sports entries we've ever posted (in terms of difficulty and rarity), so I think it really does deserve to stand on its own, and as Epsom is a highly noteworthy race itself, it shouldn't be forced into being a byline to that, either. - OldManNeptune ⚓ 12:21, 7 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    I agree with OldManNeptune, no need to merge the two, we'll get the inevitable "sports ticker" bitching from those who just complain yet do nothing but I think it's worth its own blurb. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:38, 7 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm just going to point out that this would be the 4th horse stuff in the past few months. I thing really high audience sports like F1 only get 2 stories an entire year. Nergaal (talk) 14:10, 7 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • I cannot disagree that the distribution of stories is perhaps suboptimal, but it's a seasonal sport - as are many others - so some pileup is inevitable even with Australian (and other southern hemisphere) races included. If F1 racing is only getting 2 stories per year that might be an issue worth addressing all on its own, I am with you 100% that it's a high audience sport with global appeal and thus highly suited to ITN. - OldManNeptune ⚓ 14:25, 7 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support Golden Horn's article is fine, the Derby article has a couple of odd and completely unreferenced sections (Winner details and Form analysis) which should be addressed/removed before posting. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:36, 7 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support merger per Montanabw. No need to have two horse blurbs, especially of such wildly disparate notability. μηδείς (talk) 16:54, 7 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose: It would seem unnatural to shoehorn in a mention of a less prestigious horse race to a blurb about a different horse winning the frickin' Triple Crown, one of the rarest and most remarkable achievements in the sporting world. And we don't need two horse blurbs up at once. -Kudzu1 (talk) 17:08, 7 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    Please note the Epsom Derby has been running for 236 years and is an ITNR so your opposition, while interesting, does not count, as you doubtless already read in OldManNeptune's comment. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:14, 7 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks, but I'm sure the posting admin can make up his own mind as to whether my opinion counts. -Kudzu1 (talk) 19:23, 7 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes indeed, it doesn't. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:24, 7 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment added alt-blurb with suggested merge so to satisfy America. It is also worth noting that just because A happened, it doesn't preclude B (which is on ITNR) from being posted. There needs to be no equivalence. It's been wonderful to see such a special couple of days in the horse racing world, but please drop the jingoism and acknowledge that ITNR is just that, the articles are just about up to scratch, and therefore should be posted, regardless of what the Pharoah has been up to. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:50, 7 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support separate entry, Oppose merge - Prestigious event. Winning one race does not equate to winning three races. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:45, 7 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ready to post as both highlighted articles are in decent shape, and as this is ITNR there's no reason at all to stop it being posted, either independently (which would be correct) or as a merged blurb. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:27, 7 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Separate blurbs, please. Abductive (reasoning) 19:50, 7 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    It would be helpful if you added a support or otherwise, because some here attempt to reinterpret, twist and turn the consensus. Do you support the blurb and the quality of the article updates? Having said that, I'll update the blurb (combined) tomorrow morning should nothing else be added here, ITNR is clear, the criteria for the 236-year-old Derby to be posted has been exceeded, yet I accept two blurbs starting "In horse racing..." would be odd. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:22, 7 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    I would greatly prefer each race have its own blurb. That is, I support posting this item as a separate ITN item. I have suggested an altblurb. Abductive (reasoning) 23:18, 7 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support merge Support merging. There's no reason to have 2 of the 5 items on the news page related to the annual Anglo horse racing competitions.Monopoly31121993 (talk) 06:07, 8 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • To avoid confusion, only one of the two is English (Anglo), the other is American, and there are currently two blurbs pertaining to association football already up, so it's curious that you'd suggest hesitating with horse racing. More to the point, there's no reason NOT to have two blurbs about horse racing, and given that there are currently two horse racing news stories, there clearly is at least one pretty good reason to have two blurbs on that topic. - OldManNeptune ⚓ 16:19, 8 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support combined blurb per Monopoly. 117.221.127.52 (talk) 13:02, 8 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted. I hate it when there is (strong) consensus to do something, but no consensus on the details. Merged blurb and separate blurbs appear to have about equal support (4-4 tie among those with a preference), and no real policy-based reasons to choose one over the other. Rather than be paralyzed by the tie, I've flipped a coin (literally, I flipped a coin just now, heads=combined), and am posting this as a combined blurb. --Floquenbeam (talk) 16:36, 8 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    Objection. The two events are separately notable and should not be combined. Especially in light of the historic rarity of the Triple Crown win. Please separate them. I wouldn't go along with the below IP, but I do note that his comment, while intentionally absurd, does highlight the silliness of combining just because they're in the same sport. oknazevad (talk) 20:05, 8 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    @Floquenbeam: I agree with the outcome, but not the method by which it was reached. In my view, when there's no clear consensus as to whether events should receive separate blurbs or be combined into one, the latter probably is more appropriate. In general, it's preferable to favor the semi-consensus option that alters the status quo less/least. Compared with the addition of an entirely new item, expanding an existing one is a smaller change. Admittedly, that isn't among the strongest determining factors, but it beats a coin toss. —David Levy 21:42, 8 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Should probably merge the Sepp Blatter and the Champions League one, then, since those are the same sport. And really the earthquake and explosion one since they are both bad things. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.95.148.252 (talk) 19:49, 8 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I wouldn't be surprised if someone says, "where was the consensus to assign heads=combined blurb and tails=separate blurbs?". With a tennis blurb and FIFA World Cup 'ongoing' likely to get posted, the ITN section will be dominated by sports stories. So no need to separate the horse blurbs and make it look like a sports news section. 117.192.164.116 (talk) 21:21, 8 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment at the end of the day, who cares? Floq had the guts to make a decision, the item is posted, albeit not how I'd like it, but ultimately the same info is on the main page, and it's to our readers' benefit. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:25, 8 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Split US Triple Crown winner and Epsom Derby winner. The two could still be reasonably split. A winner of the English Triple Crown of Thoroughbred Racing would be acceptable in the same line. But to group the winner of merely the Epsom Derby (british second leg) with a Triple Crown winner doesn't seem right. —Godsy(TALKCONT) 15:32, 9 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • As is it's simply silly to have two blurbs that start "In horse racing" in a row, and it's quite absurd that the Epsom Darby (UK Triple Crown) is ITNR but the Preakness (US Triple Crown) is not, and that posting the Preakness was rabidly opposed, while there's no mention of a British Triple Crown contender this season series. μηδείς (talk) 22:31, 9 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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[Posted] 2015 Belmont Stakes

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Articles: 2015 Belmont Stakes (talk · history · tag) and American Pharoah (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ American Pharoah wins the 2015 Belmont Stakes to become the first U.S. Triple Crown winner since 1978. (Post)
News source(s): Sports Illustrated, CBC Sports, BBC, ABC
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Both articles updated
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Nominator's comments: Qualifies under WP:ITN/R as the Triple Crown was a stake. --Allen3 talk 22:50, 6 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] 2015 UEFA Champions League Final

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Articles: 2015 UEFA Champions League Final (talk · history · tag) and 2014–15 UEFA Champions League (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In association football, the UEFA Champions League concludes with Barcelona (captain Andrés Iniesta pictured) defeating Juventus in the final. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Recurring item. '''tAD''' (talk) 20:52, 6 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] Indo-Bangladesh enclaves agreement

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Article: Indo-Bangladesh enclaves (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ India and Bangladesh have signed an agreement to simplify their border by exchanging 162 enclaves. (Post)
News source(s): (The Guardian), (The Times of India), (BBC), (NDTV)
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Nominator's comments: A historic agreement which is solving 40 years of mess and it is to give citizenship at least 50,000 formally stateless people. --Jenda H. (talk) 16:38, 6 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like those tables have been removed from the article. HaEr48 (talk) 04:51, 9 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support territorial changes in two major countries by population (including the biggest English-speaking country in the world), while noting the article quality isn't perfect and urging people knowledgeable about this to improve the article first. HaEr48 (talk) 04:51, 9 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment would prefer the big tag that says "This article may require copy editing for grammar, style, cohesion, tone, or spelling" be addressed before posting this. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:34, 9 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The tag isn't there anymore. 1.39.63.6 (talk) 20:41, 9 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@The Rambling Man: Now is the time to re-review the article. --George Ho (talk) 03:01, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] RD: Ludvík Vaculík

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Article: Ludvík Vaculík (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): (CTK Czech News Agency), (ABC News via AP), (The New York Times), (Omaha World-Herald), (BBC)
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Czech journalist and writer. He was a one of leading figures of the Prague Spring and then he was anti-communist dissident Samizdat writer and Charta 77 co-author. In short, he is important for his role in anti-communist dissent in Czechoslovakia. --Jenda H. (talk) 16:38, 6 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[Closed] 41st G7 Summit

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Archiving post-closure. -Kudzu1 (talk) 07:01, 9 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 41st G7 summit (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The 41st G7 summit starts at Schloss Elmau (pictured). (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The 41st G7 summit starts at Schloss Elmau (pictured) amid civil protests.
News source(s): NY Times (agenda), Tagesschau (protesters)
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Article needs updating
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Nominator's comments: Important summit amid major geopolitical things going on (Ukraine, ISIS, Russia, Greece...) Zwerg Nase (talk) 13:48, 6 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
It is indeed, I changed the nom accordingly. All the more important that someone update the article so we can post it. Unfortunately, I don't have the time myself... Zwerg Nase (talk) 15:58, 6 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Please keep in mind that it is ITNR, even if they should just sit there and drink tea. Zwerg Nase (talk) 17:32, 6 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
ITNR is not and never has been holy writ, and certainly isn't a pretext to reprint press releases verbatim. On a quick skim-round assorted English-language news sites from around the world, I can't find a single one that even mentions this summit is taking place on their front pages; whatever ITNR might say, this is patently not "in the news". – iridescent 19:51, 6 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Iridescent. We don't post junk. If anyone would like this to be removed from ITNR, please nominate it for removal at ITNR. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:15, 6 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. This isn't suitable for Ongoing unless it is anticipated that there will be some sort of incremental development every day of the summit. I would tend to agree that right now this just seems like a "junket" and little of significance will happen there(negotiations, treaties agreed to, etc). 331dot (talk) 19:44, 6 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose: Yawn-inducing non-development in the field of international relations. If something really interesting happens at the summit, we can post it, but the fact of it's happening is just not enough. -Kudzu1 (talk) 21:37, 6 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Close No consensus to post. Zwerg Nase (talk) 08:59, 8 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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[Removed] Remove 2015 Rohingya refugee crisis from Ongoing

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I'm not seeing any significant updates to this page, nor anything in the news that suggests this needs to be in our Ongoing section of ITN. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:29, 6 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[Closed] General request

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Post-closure archiving. -Kudzu1 (talk) 07:23, 9 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, no "headlines" yet, but the most relevant events of today should be listed as "ongoing events" for now:

-- Thanks and all the best! -- Horst-schlaemma (talk) 01:16, 6 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No and no. If you'd like to nominate something for inclusion in the ongoing section of ITN, please feel free to do so using the appropriate nomination template, along with clear and precise reasoning. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:18, 6 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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[Closed] RD: Pierre Brice

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Pretty clear this isn't going anywhere. -Kudzu1 (talk) 06:59, 9 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Pierre Brice (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): (DW), (Der Spiegel), Die Welt, (ČT24), (Euronews), (Gazeta Wyborcza), (Pravda.sk)
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: First class star in former Eastern Bloc and Western Germany, for his role of Apache chief Vinetou in Old Shatterhand series. --Jenda H. (talk) 10:28, 6 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Friendly note, if you are going to support your own nomination (which is not a problem) you should say "as nominator" in your comment, as the nominator's support is already assumed. Plus, I think you meant to say Western Europe. μηδείς (talk) 16:40, 6 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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[Posted] Sabah earthquake

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Article: 2015 Sabah earthquake (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  At least 18 people are killed on Mount Kinabalu after a 6.0 magnitude earthquake strikes Ranau, Sabah, Malaysia (Post)
News source(s): Missing mostly Malaysians and Singaporeans
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 This article is still need more expansion, perhaps it can appear in news section and hope anyone can help me to expand this. ~ Muffin Wizard ;) 06:07, 6 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

June 5

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[Closed] Latvian Presidential election

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We don't post stubs and if that's as good as this election gets, pass. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:16, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Articles: Latvian presidential election, 2015 (talk · history · tag) and Raimonds Vējonis (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Raimonds Vējonis of the Green Party is elected as the 9th President of Latvia (Post)
News source(s): Yahoo
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: A presidential election in an EU member state and NATO member. President-elect is first Green head of state in EU, and a devoted opponent of Russia, with whom Latvia has tensions. '''tAD''' (talk) 23:40, 5 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on article updates - Some of the results need sourcing, and I feel there could be more to explain the election format (if not linked to in a separate article). But ITNR so should be okay when fixed. --MASEM (t) 00:33, 6 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • I'm no expert in the subject so I think this should be outsourced. My understanding is that the only people who can vote for the President are members of parliament. Candidates are continuously eliminated until a candidate has a majority '''tAD''' (talk) 00:46, 6 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose article is basically a stub with a dearth of references. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:28, 7 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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[Posted] RD: Tariq Aziz

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Article: Tariq Aziz (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Telegraph, BBC and rest of internet.
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Jenda H. (talk) 14:44, 5 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak support pending article improvements - Definitely a recognizable figure from the Gulf War era, even if his role was considered criminal. Articles has a handful of unsourced paragraphs that need to be sourced. --MASEM (t) 14:50, 5 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • weak support - comic relief during the Iraq War as well when he kept claiming that Saddam was winning ....--Stemoc 14:54, 5 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Wrong guy --Jenda H. (talk) 20:25, 5 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The website about al-Sahhaf is still up.[50] "Baghdad Bob", as he was also called, was funny. There was nothing humorous about Aziz. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:29, 5 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[Closed] Central Nervous System connects to immune system

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No consensus. Stephen 01:27, 9 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Articles: Human brain (talk · history · tag) and Lymphatic vessel (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Researchers at the University of Virginia announce the discovery of lymphatic vessels linking the human brain to the immune system. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A paper in Nature documents how the Lymphatic system is connected to cerebrospinal fluid around the human brain and central nervous system.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Researchers have documented how the membranes that cover the human brain and spinal cord are connected to the lymphatic system.
News source(s): Actual paper in Nature -

UVA puffery and self promotion with exaggeration - Churnalism: TIME Business Insider Gizmag
Credits:

Article needs updating
Nominator's comments: This scientific discovery is being hailed as "game-changing" and "stunning", flying in the face of the common conception of the human neurological, immune, and lymphatic systems. Kudzu1 (talk) 05:06, 5 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. I have some problems with this nomination and with the discovery. First, where is the peer-reviewed article? These breathless lay media stories all link back to a press release. Second, how does one update Wikipedia with the weak sources given? Third, there is no claim (and no reason to believe) that the presence of lymph vessels in the meninges means that immune system cells can enter the brain. That is, the blood–brain barrier is still a barrier. Abductive (reasoning) 05:57, 5 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • 'Comment The article is here. I'm not going to express an opinion on this, as my day job is research in neuroimmunology, so may just be a wee bit biased.... Fgf10 (talk) 08:16, 5 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Based on their policy, Nature.com is a peer-reviewed journal. The lede claims "In searching for T-cell gateways into and out of the meninges, we discovered functional lymphatic vessels lining the dural sinuses." The lede further states that this will change the way neuroimmunology research is conducted. No further claim is made beyond this. Oppose nom by default.--WaltCip (talk) 12:38, 5 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
What are you trying to say? Of course Nature is peer reviewed, how is this relevant? Why do you "oppose by default"? Fgf10 (talk) 12:55, 5 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Because the claim - "The human brain is linked to the immune system" - as noted in the nom has not been proven.--WaltCip (talk) 13:04, 5 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
It would be more helpful to suggest an alternative rather than just "oppose by default". The Rambling Man (talk) 13:10, 5 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oh I entirely agree with that, this is the problem with pop-sci press releases on actual scientific work, been burned by that more than a few times.... Just didn't get that from your previous statement, that's all. I'm tending towards oppose myself any way. Still wondering what Nature being peer reviewed has to do with it though. Fgf10 (talk) 13:14, 5 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, let's go with what the article claims then - "Researchers from the University of Virginia discover functional lymphatic vessels in the meninges, connected to the deep cervical lymph nodes". Or would this perhaps be too technical?--WaltCip (talk) 13:18, 5 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Also, one of the above comments bemoaned "Where is the peer-reviewed article?" which is why I felt it fit to state that Nature is a peer-reviewed journal.--WaltCip (talk) 13:19, 5 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment On medical topics, we should maintain WP:MEDRS - even if that means using sources that aren't written in plain english. The article abstract:

    One of the characteristics of the central nervous system is the lack of a classical lymphatic drainage system. Although it is now accepted that the central nervous system undergoes constant immune surveillance that takes place within the meningeal compartment1, 2, 3, the mechanisms governing the entrance and exit of immune cells from the central nervous system remain poorly understood4, 5, 6. In searching for T-cell gateways into and out of the meninges, we discovered functional lymphatic vessels lining the dural sinuses. These structures express all of the molecular hallmarks of lymphatic endothelial cells, are able to carry both fluid and immune cells from the cerebrospinal fluid, and are connected to the deep cervical lymph nodes. The unique location of these vessels may have impeded their discovery to date, thereby contributing to the long-held concept of the absence of lymphatic vasculature in the central nervous system. The discovery of the central nervous system lymphatic system may call for a reassessment of basic assumptions in neuroimmunology and sheds new light on the aetiology of neuroinflammatory and neurodegenerative diseases associated with immune system dysfunction.

All reporting should reference the article itself - not the inflated press release that the UVA puts out about future implications (which are always 5+ years away, reporting them as though they are about to come out is a form of puffery and tabloid journalism that gives the public a false understanding of how science works). The UVA press release introduces the self-promoting phrases "textbook-altering" etc. See Wittgenstein's ladder
The phrase "human brain" does not appear in the entire abstract of the paper in Nature - so it's not strictly correct, and wrong to put on the front page of ITN (even if most news papers do it for brevity). The articles central nervous system and dural sinuses or Cerebrospinal fluid might be better targets.
As a general comment, articles like WP:MEDRS are written on the basis that English Wikipedia optimises for factual truth rather than ease of understanding - simple English Wikipedia is designed to be easy to understand. -- Aronzak (talk) 14:05, 5 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Add another altblurb. -- Aronzak (talk) 14:15, 5 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I suspect that Wittgenstein's ladder is no longer permitted under them 'elfin safety laws. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:42, 5 June 2015 (UTC) [reply]
OSHA for ya bleedin' Yanks.--WaltCip (talk) 14:51, 5 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
WP:MEDRS basically says this result doesn't even belong on Wikipedia yet, until confirmed by multiple secondary sources. Abductive (reasoning) 14:12, 5 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I meant WP:MEDPOP specifically -- Aronzak (talk) 14:18, 5 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. It is commonplace for people to get an infection of the meninges, which is called meningitis. The immune system fights such infections, and must be able to reach the meninges. This result is not important or interesting enough to post on ITN. But the lay media went crazy and said the immune system goes into the brain, which would be a big deal and would have been ITN-worthy. Abductive (reasoning) 14:09, 5 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Another Nobel in a decade...Go Hoos Go! Maybe a trip to the Rose Bowl or even beating tech...120.62.27.207 (talk) 06:37, 6 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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[Closed] RD: Alan Bond

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Stale. -Kudzu1 (talk) 05:26, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Alan Bond (businessman) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [51]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Notorious and controversial Australian businessman, America's Cup winner, and criminal. Stephen 04:11, 5 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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[Closed] RD: Lecretia Seales

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Thanks to the nominator for bringing a niche item from NZ to ITN, it appears that there's no consensus for taking it to the main page. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:30, 7 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Lecretia Seales (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Stuff.co.nz
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
 The Rambling Man (talk) 20:51, 5 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Lecretia Seales passed away this morning (5 June in NZ), having a big impact on right to die discussions in New Zealand and around the world. She doesn't (yet) have a page but deserves one. Perhaps she's not sufficiently notable for a mention on the main page, but her story should be told.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Tayste (talk • contribs)

Thanks for the suggestion, but it is difficult to judge a nomination without an article to evaluate for its quality and merits of posting to ITN. 331dot (talk) 20:00, 4 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The primary purpose of ITN is to showcase Wikipedia articles. That doesn't mean that an article qualifies for ITN; but without an article, there's no ITN entry. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:06, 4 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Tayste: - write the article, then we can judge its quality and the notability of the subject. Mjroots (talk) 20:41, 4 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, what everyone upside of here has said. If you could create an article, even a stub, we could all help you with that. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:52, 4 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the info and advice. Stub created at Lecretia Seales. Tayste (edits) 21:11, 4 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Here in New Zealand, this case has received significant though hardly overwhelming coverage. However, I don't see how Seales meets the criteria. The judge has ruled against her, and it remains unclear how much impact her case will have on the issue in New Zealand (I'm sceptical it will have much beyond our shores). None of this should detract from her impressive career and her bravery, but I don't see a case for RD. Neljack (talk) 05:35, 5 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough, thanks for your comments. Yesterday morning when I heard the news, I had thought she'd had a bigger global impression that it turns out. Still, her death may yet spark further debate among our politicians and add to the global discussion on this. Tayste (edits) 21:11, 5 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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June 4

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June 4, 2015 (2015-06-04) (Thursday)
Armed conflicts and attacks
Arts and culture
Business and economy
  • Officials of the ruling Syriza party in Greece say that they cannot accept a last-minute deal proposed by the country's creditors: default deadline looms. (AP)
Disasters and accidents
Health
International relations
Politics

RD: Hermann Zapf

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Article: Hermann Zapf (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Notable typeface designer, designed various notable and widely recognize typefaces such as Palatino & Optima. Article still needs a bit of work. Connormah (talk) 16:58, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[Closed] Office of Personnel Management data breach

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No consensus; article is tagged and speculative; no evidence of developing into anything affecting relations. Stephen 01:25, 9 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Office of Personnel Management data breach (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ It becomes known that a data breach took place involving approximately four million employees of the United States government. (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post New York Times CNN
Credits:
Nominator's comments: The New York Times has described this breach as "what appeared to be one of the largest breaches of federal employees’ data". I wish we knew exactly when this happened because then we could put that in the blurb but I haven't found a source that says so. Everymorning talk 16:42, 5 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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[Closed] RD: Leonid Plyushch

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No consensus. Stephen 01:22, 9 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Leonid Plyushch (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Agence France-Presse Ukraine Today
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Prominent Ukrainian Soviet dissident, known for being committed to a mental institution under dubious circumstances (creating something of an international controversy around the use of psychiatry to suppress dissent). Kudzu1 (talk) 23:59, 4 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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[Posted] Ghana gas station explosion

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Articles: 2015 Accra explosion (talk · history · tag) and 2015 Accra floods (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least 100 people are killed from a gas station explosion in Accra that was being used as a shelter from several days of flooding . (Post)
News source(s): NYTimes
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Combination of natural disaster and man-made one with large losses. MASEM (t) 20:01, 4 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[Closed] USA Freedom Act

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No consensus to post, nothing for 48 hours. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:49, 7 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: USA Freedom Act (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ US President Barack Obama (pictured) signs the USA Freedom Act, restoring expired provisions of the Patriot Act while reforming Section 215 of the Act. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ US President Barack Obama (pictured) signs the USA Freedom Act, restoring expired provisions of the Patriot Act.
News source(s): NBC News
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: Because country-centric stories have become posted, I think this topic might be impactful and significant. George Ho (talk) 18:43, 4 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I have indeed followed this story. 331dot (talk) 19:47, 4 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I have indeed followed this story. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:56, 4 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Opinions of socks are disregarded :) Brandmeistertalk 21:11, 4 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
As well they should be. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:18, 4 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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June 3

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June 3, 2015 (2015-06-03) (Wednesday)
Armed conflicts and attacks
  • Saudi Arabian-led intervention in Yemen
  • The Grozny Chechnya office of the Committee Against Torture NGO is attacked by masked men who came out of a crowd of protesters. They broke down the door and trashed the office. National Leader Ramzan Kadyrov speculated the attack could have been carried out by relatives of Dzhambulat Dadayev upset that the NGO which investigates torture did not lead protests of the shooting of Dadayev by law enforcement officers from another region. Moscow Times
  • War in Donbass
Disasters and accidents
International relations
Law and crime
Politics and elections

[Closed] Move to ongoing: 2015 Indian heat wave

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Main story has dropped off the bottom of the main ITN section, the updates are sparse and insufficient to warrant inclusion at Ongoing. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:18, 6 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The death toll of India's heat wave was updated. There will be more deaths in the future, so there will be more updates. --George Ho (talk) 06:27, 3 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I would be OK with moving it to ongoing when it rolls off the blurb list, so long as it's actually still being actively updated at that point. I don't think we need to move it early though. --Jayron32 12:40, 3 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Is it getting anything updated other than just a rising death toll? That alone does not really seem like something that merits an ongoing entry on the main page. - OldManNeptune ⚓ 13:02, 3 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose ongoing right now, unless things get substantially worse, this is (sadly) just a counter incrementing daily. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:36, 4 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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[Closed] 2015 European Games

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WP:SNOW close for now, will be posted during opening. Brandmeistertalk 15:34, 3 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Articles: 2015 European Games (talk · history · tag) and European Games (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ First European games will take place in Azerbaijan, which is located in Asia. (Post)
News source(s): http://www.baku2015.com/
Credits:
 Shahrux (talk) 14:42, 3 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for now, would support a blurb that notes this is the first such European Games when they start. If that blurb is kicked off the ticker, a ongoing during the remainder of the games makes sense (since this is basically an Olmpyics-sanctioned event limited to the NOCs from the European continent, and will only take place every 4 years). --MASEM (t) 15:32, 3 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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June 2

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June 2, 2015 (2015-06-02) (Tuesday)
Armed conflicts and attacks
Disasters and accidents
Health
Law and crime
Politics and elections
Sport

[Closed] RD: Irwin Rose

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Weak consensus, but article not improved. Stephen 01:20, 9 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Irwin Rose (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times Washington Post
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Won a Nobel Prize in 2004 along with two other scientists for, according to the New York Times, "unraveling the mystery of how cells identify old and damaged proteins and transform them into pieces for new proteins— discoveries that led to the development of a new class of drugs to fight cancer..." Everymorning talk 20:43, 4 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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[Withdrawn] RD: Fernando de Araújo

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Clear where this one is going. That being said, on the subject of deceased former heads of state of small island nations, I don't think an RD nomination for Nicholas Liverpool, former president of Dominica, would go amiss. -Kudzu1 (talk) 00:02, 5 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Fernando de Araújo (East Timorese politician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Correio da Manhã Público.pt
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Former parliamentary president of East Timor, former acting president, and head of a significant party. Kudzu1 (talk) 15:37, 4 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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[Closed] Edward Snowden wins the Bjørnson Prize

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Snow close, award has not been listed before, there's resistance to post everything Snowden. I know this has only been up 4 hours or so, so if someone strongly objects, feel free to re-open. μηδείς (talk) 17:36, 4 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Articles: Norwegian Academy of Literature and Freedom of Expression (talk · history · tag) and Edward Snowden (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Edward Snowden wins the Bjørnson Prize. (Post)
News source(s): Dagbladet
Credits:
 Count Iblis (talk) 13:30, 4 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question Have we posted this award in previous years? We shouldn't be posting is just because it's Snowdon. 131.251.254.154 (talk) 13:41, 4 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. It does not appear that we have posted this award previously, and I agree with 131.251 - "Because Snowden" is not a good enough reason this time. Resolute 13:49, 4 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. This awards seems too new to have the respect and notability to warrant posting. The fact that Snowdon got one isn't enough, as stated- and there also seems to be a political agenda in giving it to him. 331dot (talk) 13:55, 4 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per 331dot. -Kudzu1 (talk) 15:22, 4 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Does not seem to be an award prestigious enough to warrant posting. Snowden receiving it really is immaterial; even if a far more renowned/significant person than him receives a minor award, we don't tend to post that either. Which is sensible, there are far too many minor awards worldwide to post them all and the only reason this one even catches the eye is because the implied political statement is mildly provocative to some people. - OldManNeptune ⚓ 15:41, 4 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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[Closed] Medal of Honor

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No consensus. Stephen 23:28, 4 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Articles: William Shemin (talk · history · tag) and Henry Lincoln Johnson (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ President of the United States Barack Obama posthumously awards the Medal of Honor to World War I soldiers William Shemin and Henry Lincoln Johnson. (Post)
News source(s): BBC USA Today New York Times
Credits:
Nominator's comments: This is the highest military honor in the United States. Everymorning talk 12:08, 3 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support we posted a VC award a while ago so there's no chance whatsoever we'll get through this nomination without that being discussed. Both articles could use a tidy up, in particular Shemin's which has no inline sourcing at all. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:56, 3 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose in taking TRM's point above - there have been >3000 Medals of Honor given in the US, and >1000 VCs, these do not seem to be rare awards even though they are the military's highest. They'd influence our RD posting but obviously that can't happen here. Add that both articles are in very poor shape and need a lot of sourcing work to get to ITN postable-state. --MASEM (t) 13:05, 3 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Medal of Honor#Past discrimination shows this is part of a "series". The 24 Medal of Honor awards in 2014 seems more notable but wasn't nominated. This time it's only 2 for an even older war. William Shemin was created today and qualifies for DYK. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:40, 3 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. I tend to agree with Masem. Also, the blurb left me with a strong sens of "so?". In my mind, I compare this to the thought of posting someone being named a Companion of the Order of Canada, and I wouldn't support that either, unless it was for something rather extraordinary. Resolute 14:05, 3 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Masem; if the decoration was for recent conflicts, it would be more notable. 331dot (talk) 13:52, 4 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • DYK I wouldn't mind if this were posted (an I am not sure of what relevance the date of the wars is) but this sort of thing happens regularly, and DYK per PrimeHunter seems a much better idea. μηδείς (talk) 17:31, 4 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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[Posted] Blatter resigns

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Article: Sepp Blatter (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Sepp Blatter (pictured) resigns as President of FIFA amid the 2015 FIFA corruption case. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Sepp Blatter (pictured) resigns as President of FIFA in the wake of corruption indictments on FIFA officials.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Sepp Blatter (pictured) resigns as President of FIFA in the wake of corruption indictments on FIFA officials.
Alternative blurb III: ​ Sepp Blatter (pictured) resigns as President of FIFA in the wake of corruption indictments on FIFA officials.
News source(s): Sky News, The Guardian, The Independent
Credits:

Article updated

 --BabbaQ (talk) 16:56, 2 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That in my opinion makes no sense. As it is Sepp Blatter that is resigning. And no word yet if it is because of the scandal or not.--BabbaQ (talk) 17:08, 2 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
"My mandate does not appear to be supported by everybody." Funny thing for a guy to say after just winning re-election. Although it's kind of like what Richard Nixon gave as a reason for resigning (rather than being taken to an impeachment trial). ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 17:15, 2 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
We do normally feature the article about the event, rather than the individuals involved, which in this case is a continuance of the corruption scandal. Ultimately, however, which article has the better update is more important. Mamyles (talk) 17:17, 2 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Again it is Sepp Blatter that is resigning. Not the case against FIFA. And, his article is not bad. We have posted articles with much less sources and info. It is a well-sourced article.--BabbaQ (talk) 17:24, 2 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
We should wait and see if he also gets arrested. It's as plain as the nose on your face that something happened between Friday and today. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:13, 2 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
My point being that we do not know if Blatter is leaving because of the corruption case at this time. All we know is that he is resigning from FIFA. --BabbaQ (talk) 17:50, 2 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Not saying he needs to be implicated, but his resignation is worth mentioning and will undoubtedly be discussed together years from now, regardless if he is ever legally connected.—Bagumba (talk) 18:35, 2 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Posting in steps. First, I'll move the blurb to the top, with Sepp Blatter (only) bolded. Second, I'll fiddle with the photo so it can be put on the front page (I'm an order of magnitude slower than David Levy, so be patient). Third, once the corruption investigation article is updated to include the resignation, it makes sense to bold that one too; ping me or another admin when it's ready. Fourth, this may be a legit "ongoing" item if things continue to happen in the next week, and it's ready to fall of the page, but for now there's a clear consensus for a full blurb. --Floquenbeam (talk) 17:57, 2 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I've bolded the corruption article since 2015_FIFA_corruption_case#President_of_FIFA was updated.—Bagumba (talk) 18:40, 2 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

June 1

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June 1, 2015 (2015-06-01) (Monday)
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Politics
  • Former German chancellor, "architect of German reunification" and one of the authors of the European single currency Helmut Kohl is reported to be in a "critical condition" after surgery at a Heidelberg hospital. (Guardian)

[Posted] RD: Nicholas Liverpool

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Article: Nicholas Liverpool (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Jamaica Observer Dominica News Online
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former President of Dominica, an island country of 72,000 in the Caribbean Sea. Not much reporting on his death outside a handful of mostly Caribbean news outlets, but he was the head of state for his country for nine years and was a mentor to Roosevelt Skerrit, the current prime minister. Kudzu1 (talk) 01:08, 5 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Intel-Altera deal

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Articles: Intel (talk · history · tag) and Altera (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Technology company Intel announces its intention to buy Altera, a chip-making company, for $16.7 billion. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters USA Today New York Times
Credits:

Both articles updated

Nominator's comments: This is not as large as the Time Warner Cable deal. However, it is still the largest ever deal in the history of Intel, which has been around for 47 years, and Intel is the largest chip making company in the world. Everymorning talk 15:04, 2 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That's bad Latin, BabbaQ; two prepositions in a row. It should be per orientem. μηδείς (talk) 18:35, 2 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] RD: Charles Kennedy

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Article: Charles Kennedy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News The Independent
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: British politician of note; led the Liberal Democrats for six and a half years. Death is rather unexpected, as he was only 55 and was not known to be suffering from any sort of serious illness (aside from struggling with alcoholism). Kudzu1 (talk) 05:54, 2 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak Support Weak only because my understanding of how political parties work in the UK, in that the leader of these parties seem to hold a lot of sway compared to the US where we have the chairmen of these parties but aren't the ones sitting in gov't. Sourcing is just fine for posting those that proseline is a bit clumsy (but that's not a issue to stop the ITN). --MASEM (t) 06:03, 2 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - as the former leader of a major British political party, meets the second criteria of WP:ITND.  — An optimist on the run! (logged on as Pek the Penguin) 06:34, 2 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    A then-major British political party, anyway. -Kudzu1 (talk) 06:35, 2 June 2015
  • Support - article quality fine, although death section will need expanding once details are released. Respected party leader and ex-MP, which isn't something you can say about most British politicians. Mjroots (talk) 06:39, 2 June 2015 (UTC)(UTC)[reply]
  • Uncertain. Like Masem I know politics works a little different in the UK(in the US the leader of the party does not usually hold political office, let alone lead the government) but in this case I'm not clear on how he meets the RD criteria. His party was never the majority party or even the official opposition while he led it. Did he hold some other influence? Also, if his death was sudden and unexpected, we should be discussing a blurb(which right now I'm not sure is warranted). 331dot (talk) 06:47, 2 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. The article quality definitely passes muster - but I am not seeing how the criteria were met. He wasn't a PM or anything aside from the top person in a political party - unless I have really missed something. Challenger l (talk) 06:59, 2 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD While I understand the contrary opinion, on balance I think Kennedy qualifies for RD on the basis that he "had a significant contribution/impact on the" UK. In 2005 he took the Liberal Democrats to their most successful result ever (a record that still remains) and the best result for a third party (i.e. not the Conservatives or Labour) for more than 80 years. This paved the way for their breakthrough into government in 2010. He also led the political opposition to the Iraq War in Britain. Neljack (talk) 07:07, 2 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support an MP for 32 years, leader of the third largest party in the UK for 7 of those, sudden and unexpected death, article in very good nick, why not? The Rambling Man (talk) 07:08, 2 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support for RD. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 07:12, 2 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support for RD. Leader of a (once) major UK Political Party (e.g. United Kingdom general election, 2005), untimely death, article is good enough. Pedro :  Chat  07:22, 2 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, significant public figure, top spot on BBC News (broadcast and web). Guy (Help!) 07:44, 2 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support for RD. Important political figure in the UK for last 25 years - well known to general public, and death unexpected. Ghmyrtle (talk) 07:51, 2 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support, undoubtedly an important figure in British politics. My hesitation is due to the fact he never actually held an office, and wasn't all that influential on a global scale. Fgf10 (talk) 08:01, 2 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for 24 hours, to give the rest of the world a chance to weigh in. Abductive (reasoning) 08:26, 2 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    No, we don't do that, remember? The Rambling Man (talk) 08:30, 2 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
That's rather odd, so you mean support after 24h? Who says this is going to get posted straight away? I wouldn't expect so. This isn't a US blurb, so there won't be an immediate posting. Fgf10 (talk) 09:23, 2 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Sigh, don't post prematurely! It's only been on here for 3 hours, don't do what the Americans normally do. Pull until there's been enough time to discuss properly. Fgf10 (talk) 10:24, 2 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support and repost very important British politician who led his party to new heights of third-party Parliamentary representation, and whose opposition to the Iraq War at a time when the government and main opposition party were supporting it is still widely respected and discussed. BencherliteTalk 12:30, 2 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • This "us vs. them" stuff gets old. I guess I could see the desire to wait for American comments if this was a blurb, but it's an RD link, there is only one other current RD link, experienced editors have said the quality is OK, British editors would have a better handle on his significance that Americans anyway, if it's borderline it does no harm, and just once I'd like to post something that isn't stale. As official spokesman for all American editors, I hearby give my OK to repost. --Floquenbeam (talk) 12:42, 2 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reposted. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:47, 2 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] Chinese cruise ship sinking

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Enough descending into yet more slanging matches for no gain. Item has been posted, better spend your energy updating it as news filters through than snark at one another. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:14, 3 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Sinking of the Dong Fang Zhi Xing (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least seven people are confirmed dead after the Chinese cruise ship MV Dong Fang Zhi Xing carrying over 450 people is struck by a cyclone and sinks in the Yangtze River. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ At least seven people are confirmed dead after a Chinese cruise ship carrying over 450 people is struck by a cyclone and sinks in the Yangtze River.
News source(s): BBC, Guardian
Credits:

Article needs updating
Nominator's comments: Rescue efforts are still ongoing so the death toll is far from final. As the BBC article notes, many of the passangers were elderly so this could end up a lot worse than it seems and comparable to that ferry sinking from ~ year back. MASEM (t) 03:14, 2 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait merely pending more information. I don't know that we have enough to make a decision yet on the significance for ITN. --Jayron32 03:24, 2 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • I agree with the wait, but I did want to make sure this was ready to go once we get more details. The news that we have is that twelve hours after capsizing, they haven't rescued anyone beyond a dozen some people, but there's apparently signs of life within it. If it ends up only 1 person is lost, all the better to not post, but I have a bad feeling it will be a lot worse the way the news is reporting this. --MASEM (t) 03:29, 2 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait per above comments. But I also agree that this has the potential to be a major maritime disaster. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:33, 2 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support Changing vote. This is significant news and needs to be posted now. Hundreds are missing and only a handful of confirmed survivors have been rescued. This is a major disaster. We can update the blurb as new and confirmed information comes in. Further delay is unwarranted. -Ad Orientem (talk) 14:18, 2 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait: Only one confirmed death does not a major incident make. That being said, if it turns out to be a mass-casualty event, it could be posted. -Kudzu1 (talk) 03:44, 2 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Procedural note I moved this to June 1 holding as the incident happened 9:30pm local time then, even though the reports now are coming out june 2 local time. --MASEM (t) 05:47, 2 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Article is in good enough shape to be posted. As with many articles, it could be better, but there are no issues that would prevent it appearing in ITN. Likely high death toll. Mjroots (talk) 06:43, 2 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait – Obvious candidate, but details, details, details. (Reuters says it's "likely to end up as China's worst shipping disaster in almost 70 years.) Sca (talk) 13:45, 2 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Over 400 missing is a major disaster. This is in the news and is notable. I agree that there will be more developments in the near future, but this is already of postable significance. The article is of acceptable quality. Mamyles (talk) 14:31, 2 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support heading into night time, bad weather, hundreds missing, this isn't going to end well. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:34, 2 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. I spent a good chunk of my adult life at sea. Sadly the odds against finding and rescuing most of the missing are simply overwhelming at this point. On the off chance that a massive rescue of trapped passengers is successful that would be one of the biggest maritime news stories since the sinking of the SS Andrea Doria and would also merit ITN coverage. It's time to get this up. -Ad Orientem (talk) 14:47, 2 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
And even if they happen to save the remaining 400-some people, that would be the amazing end result that would also be ITN. Unfortunately, it does look it will fall the other way, which is clearly ITN too. --MASEM (t) 14:53, 2 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Considering your [lack of] capacity to read what's posted, which soccer coach resigned?120.62.18.168 (talk) 07:15, 3 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Considering your obvious M.O., you're in no position to be criticizing others here. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 11:05, 3 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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[Closed] Patriot Act renewal blocked

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No consensus to post at this time. Perhaps if something big happens subsequently with this item it could be worth a renomination at a later point. SpencerT♦C 14:32, 2 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Patriot Act (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ US senator Rand Paul uses the filibuster to prevent renewal provisions of the Patriot Act allowing bulk spying by the NSA (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Provisions of the Patriot Act have expired amid calls for reform of mass surveillance in the United States.
News source(s): Radio NZFoxDaily Mail
Credits:
Nominator's comments: This will need updating as info comes in, since the news is at midnight Washington time. μηδείς (talk) 05:11, 1 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with your main point, that there are many stories and different possible targets, but "amid calls" is vague to the point of falseness. Rand Paul alone blocked the law's renewal. μηδείς (talk) 05:43, 1 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
We didn't post the May 7 development that a second circuit court deeming the metadata program to be outside the scope of what Congress authorized. The democrats want the USA Freedom Act, the republicans want the old system - Rand Paul is one of many voices for change, and there will be more votes on these bills. -- Aronzak (talk) 06:14, 1 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
That's a forever wait. Negotiations could go on indefinitely. This is the first time a senator has shut down a spying program single handedly, and the first time the effect has been to curtail a federal spying agency since the Democrats did to the CIA after watergate. We need an update, but not more than that. Past bedtime for me. μηδείς (talk) 05:55, 1 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The write-ups I'm seeing say there could be a vote by mid-week. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 05:57, 1 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure how clear any of this is. Muddled – and clear as mud. Sca (talk) 15:51, 1 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Domestic political grandstanding and negotiations. If something is passed, maybe that would be notable. 331dot (talk) 13:57, 1 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Oppose Ending the parts that allowed for unwarranted surveillance is probably a major step but this was a deadline that was coming and after the last few years with various bits, we knew it didn't have has much legs than before. The fact they allowed it to expire (or failed to put up enough support to end Rand Paul's filibuster) is not really that interesting. And as others have pointed out this is all pre-election year positioning limited to the US. --MASEM (t) 14:25, 1 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Local politics. --86.176.41.42 (talk) 19:03, 1 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I try to AGF, but proposals such as this are just ponderous. 125.209.88.46 (talk) 21:30, 1 June 2015 (UTC) Blocked as proxy.[reply]
  • Oppose. It is a minor event in the happening of one country. A big country nonetheless, but why do the other 7 billion people of the world care about this? Epic Genius (talk) 21:38, 1 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Though I oppose this as well, single-country objections are not valid(see "Please do not" above). 331dot (talk) 22:02, 1 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Not challenging the oppose, but just pointing out that given the US's position typically as country that engages in a high degree of surveillance, changes in what types of surveillance are legal or illegal under US law will likely ripple to other countries. It is similar to when the FCC passed the net neutrality rules - it immediately only affects US net operations but has clear potential to affect worldwide Internet pricing/structure given the US's predominance in that area. --MASEM (t) 22:13, 1 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • The opposes seem odd and contradictory given how many times Snowden was posted on ITN for revealing exactly what Paul has just put a stop to. To say this was going to end anyway is absolutely false. It was expected the law would be renewed as is, and would have been except for one Senator's action. That this lapsed cannot be laid at anyone else's feet, including the mere passage of time. μηδείς (talk) 01:20, 2 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
StatsGrok is a highly lagging indicator here, but look at the last 90 days history (up to a week ago) and tell me this is not of huge interest to our readers. μηδείς (talk) 01:25, 2 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. The problem with this story is not the local nature of the news, and it is not unimportant, the problem is the tenuous nature of the outcome. It is difficult to be sure that anything will actually change, and there is no way to tell if Congress will start up the program again in the next few days or weeks. Abductive (reasoning) 03:43, 2 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose A great number of US laws have sunsets, I can't think of a single instance where one was posted. Most likely because "a law with an expiration date, expired" isn't particularly news itself, and while the filibuster is certainly amusing, it's hardly unusual either (internal party politics aside). - OldManNeptune ⚓ 12:53, 2 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – If I understood Monday's coverage correctly, we may end up with a new law that would require spook agencies to go through a closed-door legal proceeding before accessing phone metadata from the carriers. That might be worth ITN. Sca (talk) 13:51, 2 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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[Closed] Caitlyn Jenner

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Consensus is strongly against posting. --Bongwarrior (talk) 00:39, 2 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Caitlyn Jenner (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Caitlyn Jenner, formerly Bruce Jenner, reveals her new name and identity as a woman (Post)
News source(s): [54] [55]
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Nominator's comments: Caitlyn Jenner's transition and reveal is notable not only because of her status as an Olympian but also that her public transition has been a topic of news coverage since she revealed her identity a few weeks ago. I believe that a number of people will be searching for the topic, particularly due to the press coverage and name change and so a link to the article on the front page under In The News would be beneficial. Wugapodes (talk) 23:42, 1 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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